[Internal-cg] Contracting

Thu Apr 30 15:02:36 UTC 2015

Hi Kavouss,

Your objection to issuing an ICG statement about contracts/agreements is noted.

Thanks,
Alissa

On Apr 30, 2015, at 3:19 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Alussa
> It seems that
> ICG becoming the I international  Court of Justice.
> Wgat us the natter that we becoming of OCs
> Pls clarify and  this time No Note to be issued until every body agreed   
> I an very disappointed by your previous action that the consensus tules were breached openly
> Pls be careful and nit to do it again
> Best regards
> Kavouss
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Apr 2015, at 17:41, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Good statement. I support it as is. 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> ICG Statement on Contracts and Other Agreements
>>> 
>>> As the development of the proposal for the IANA stewardship
>>> transition proceeds, operational communities have begun discussions
>>> with ICANN concerning contracts and other agreements called for in
>>> their community transition proposals. The ICG expects -- as it has from
>>> the very beginning of the transition process -- that all interested
>>> parties, including ICANN staff, express their opinions about the
>>> transition proposals openly and transparently within the community
>>> processes. This includes opinions about the provisions, principles, and
>>> mechanisms associated with contracts or other agreements between
>>> the communities and the IANA functions operator. Attempts to alter
>>> or deviate from the community consensus proposals through private
>>> negotiations undermine the legitimacy of the transition proposal
>>> development process. At a time when all of the communities are
>>> focused on accountability, all parties have the same obligation to carry
>>> out discussions in an open manner within established community
>>> processes.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Alissa Cooper <alissa at cooperw.in> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The thread below as well as the following paragraph in Milton’s
>>> memo raised a question for me:
>>>> 
>>>> “... negotiations between CRISP and ICANN legal raise a very
>>> important process issue. As ICG we have viewed ourselves as an entity
>>> that receives consensus proposals from the operational communities
>>> and does not try to alter them. Shouldn’t we expect the same from
>>> ICANN? If ICANN legal is attempting to make major alterations in the
>>> terms of the contractual rights exercised by an operational community
>>> as part of the transition, isn’t it interfering with the consensus proposal
>>> of the affected operational community? There is also the fact that
>>> these negotiations are going on behind the scenes and are not
>>> transparent to the whole involved community.”
>>>> 
>>>> My understanding is that the IETF folks are encountering some of the
>>> same things as CRISP. Do we think it would help if the ICG put out a
>>> statement of some sort indicating that we continue to expect all
>>> interested parties, including ICANN staff, to express their opinions
>>> about the transition proposals openly and transparently within the
>>> community processes? And that includes opinions about the
>>> acceptability of principles and mechanisms associated with contractual
>>> arrangements between the communities and the IANA functions
>>> operator?
>>>> 
>>>> Alissa
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 5:34 AM, Lynn St.Amour <Lynn at LStAmour.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Milton,
>>>>> 
>>>>> A big +1 to "Let me also remind us that this is a bottom up process
>>> and ICG has no business modifying or rejecting proposals based on
>>> what it thinks NTIA wants.  NTIA’s criteria are public us and they do
>>> _not_ include any thing about splitting the IANA functions."
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi, reading these notes, I see this from Keith:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> “NTIA suggests that anything which threatens to split the IANA
>>> functions would be difficult for them to accept ‐ so the idea that
>>> Protocols, Numbers or Names would have independent right of
>>> contract termination maybe troublesome to NTIA ?”
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was not there for the full context, of course, so I may be
>>> misinterpreting, but on its face this is incorrect, in my opinion. I would
>>> like to know from Keith when and where NTIA suggested this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let’s keep in mind that IETF already has the right to “split” or
>>> terminate its MoU with ICANN and has had that right for 15 years
>>> through various iterations of the IANA contract. CRISP has proposed
>>> something similar.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let me also remind us that this is a bottom up process and ICG has
>>> no business modifying or rejecting proposals based on what it thinks
>>> NTIA wants. NTIA’s criteria are public us and they do _not_ include any
>>> thing about splitting the IANA functions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --MM
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Internal-cg [mailto:internal-cg-bounces at ianacg.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jennifer Chung
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:10 PM
>>>>>> To: internal-cg at ianacg.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Call #15: Attendance list and Chat
>>> Transcript
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apologies, the attachment was missing to the last email.  Attached
>>> please find the chat transcript for ICG Call 15.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jennifer
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Jennifer Chung [mailto:jen at icgsec.asia]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:09 PM
>>>>>> To: 'internal-cg at ianacg.org'
>>>>>> Subject: ICG Call #15: Attendance list and Chat Transcript
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please find the chat transcript (attached) and the attendance roll
>>> call (below) for Call 15.  Please let me know if you note any
>>> discrepancies:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ICG Members
>>>>>> Kavouss Arasteh (GAC)
>>>>>> Paul Wilson (NRO)
>>>>>> Daniel Karrenberg (RSSAC)
>>>>>> Keith Davidson (ccNSO)
>>>>>> Alissa Cooper (IETF)
>>>>>> Jean-Jacques Subrenat (ALAC)
>>>>>> Jari Arkko (IETF)
>>>>>> Martin Boyle (ccNSO)
>>>>>> Demi Getschko (ISOC)
>>>>>> Jandyr Ferreira dos Santos (GAC)
>>>>>> Keith Drazek (gTLD Registries)
>>>>>> Jon Nevett (gTLD Registries)
>>>>>> Lynn St. Amour (IAB)
>>>>>> Michael Niebel (GAC)
>>>>>> Narelle Clark (ISOC)
>>>>>> Russ Housley (IAB)
>>>>>> Russ Mundy (SSAC)
>>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben (GNSO)
>>>>>> Xiaodong Lee (ccNSO)
>>>>>> Alan Barrett (NRO)
>>>>>> Lars-Johan Liman (RSSAC)
>>>>>> Joseph Alhadeff (ICC/BASIS)
>>>>>> Mary Uduma (ccNSO)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Liaisons
>>>>>> Elise Gerich (IANA Staff Liaison)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apologies
>>>>>> Kuo Wei Wu (ICANN Board Liaison)
>>>>>> James Bladel (GNSO)
>>>>>> Milton Mueller (GNSO)
>>>>>> Hartmut Glaser (ASO)
>>>>>> Manal Ismail (GAC)
>>>>>> Mohamed El Bashir (ALAC)
>>>>>> Patrik Fältström (SSAC)
>>>>>> Thomas Schneider (GAC)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jennifer
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