[Internal-cg] Contracting

Thu Apr 30 10:19:11 UTC 2015

Alussa
It seems that
 ICG becoming the I international  Court of Justice.
Wgat us the natter that we becoming of OCs
Pls clarify and  this time No Note to be issued until every body agreed   
I an very disappointed by your previous action that the consensus tules were breached openly
Pls be careful and nit to do it again
Best regards
Kavouss

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> On 29 Apr 2015, at 17:41, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> 
> Good statement. I support it as is. 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> ICG Statement on Contracts and Other Agreements
>> 
>> As the development of the proposal for the IANA stewardship
>> transition proceeds, operational communities have begun discussions
>> with ICANN concerning contracts and other agreements called for in
>> their community transition proposals. The ICG expects -- as it has from
>> the very beginning of the transition process -- that all interested
>> parties, including ICANN staff, express their opinions about the
>> transition proposals openly and transparently within the community
>> processes. This includes opinions about the provisions, principles, and
>> mechanisms associated with contracts or other agreements between
>> the communities and the IANA functions operator. Attempts to alter
>> or deviate from the community consensus proposals through private
>> negotiations undermine the legitimacy of the transition proposal
>> development process. At a time when all of the communities are
>> focused on accountability, all parties have the same obligation to carry
>> out discussions in an open manner within established community
>> processes.
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Alissa Cooper <alissa at cooperw.in> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The thread below as well as the following paragraph in Milton’s
>> memo raised a question for me:
>>> 
>>> “... negotiations between CRISP and ICANN legal raise a very
>> important process issue. As ICG we have viewed ourselves as an entity
>> that receives consensus proposals from the operational communities
>> and does not try to alter them. Shouldn’t we expect the same from
>> ICANN? If ICANN legal is attempting to make major alterations in the
>> terms of the contractual rights exercised by an operational community
>> as part of the transition, isn’t it interfering with the consensus proposal
>> of the affected operational community? There is also the fact that
>> these negotiations are going on behind the scenes and are not
>> transparent to the whole involved community.”
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that the IETF folks are encountering some of the
>> same things as CRISP. Do we think it would help if the ICG put out a
>> statement of some sort indicating that we continue to expect all
>> interested parties, including ICANN staff, to express their opinions
>> about the transition proposals openly and transparently within the
>> community processes? And that includes opinions about the
>> acceptability of principles and mechanisms associated with contractual
>> arrangements between the communities and the IANA functions
>> operator?
>>> 
>>> Alissa
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 5:34 AM, Lynn St.Amour <Lynn at LStAmour.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Milton,
>>>> 
>>>> A big +1 to "Let me also remind us that this is a bottom up process
>> and ICG has no business modifying or rejecting proposals based on
>> what it thinks NTIA wants.  NTIA’s criteria are public us and they do
>> _not_ include any thing about splitting the IANA functions."
>>>> 
>>>> Lynn
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, reading these notes, I see this from Keith:
>>>>> 
>>>>> “NTIA suggests that anything which threatens to split the IANA
>> functions would be difficult for them to accept ‐ so the idea that
>> Protocols, Numbers or Names would have independent right of
>> contract termination maybe troublesome to NTIA ?”
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was not there for the full context, of course, so I may be
>> misinterpreting, but on its face this is incorrect, in my opinion. I would
>> like to know from Keith when and where NTIA suggested this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let’s keep in mind that IETF already has the right to “split” or
>> terminate its MoU with ICANN and has had that right for 15 years
>> through various iterations of the IANA contract. CRISP has proposed
>> something similar.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let me also remind us that this is a bottom up process and ICG has
>> no business modifying or rejecting proposals based on what it thinks
>> NTIA wants. NTIA’s criteria are public us and they do _not_ include any
>> thing about splitting the IANA functions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --MM
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Internal-cg [mailto:internal-cg-bounces at ianacg.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jennifer Chung
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:10 PM
>>>>> To: internal-cg at ianacg.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Call #15: Attendance list and Chat
>> Transcript
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apologies, the attachment was missing to the last email.  Attached
>> please find the chat transcript for ICG Call 15.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jennifer
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Jennifer Chung [mailto:jen at icgsec.asia]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:09 PM
>>>>> To: 'internal-cg at ianacg.org'
>>>>> Subject: ICG Call #15: Attendance list and Chat Transcript
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please find the chat transcript (attached) and the attendance roll
>> call (below) for Call 15.  Please let me know if you note any
>> discrepancies:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ICG Members
>>>>> Kavouss Arasteh (GAC)
>>>>> Paul Wilson (NRO)
>>>>> Daniel Karrenberg (RSSAC)
>>>>> Keith Davidson (ccNSO)
>>>>> Alissa Cooper (IETF)
>>>>> Jean-Jacques Subrenat (ALAC)
>>>>> Jari Arkko (IETF)
>>>>> Martin Boyle (ccNSO)
>>>>> Demi Getschko (ISOC)
>>>>> Jandyr Ferreira dos Santos (GAC)
>>>>> Keith Drazek (gTLD Registries)
>>>>> Jon Nevett (gTLD Registries)
>>>>> Lynn St. Amour (IAB)
>>>>> Michael Niebel (GAC)
>>>>> Narelle Clark (ISOC)
>>>>> Russ Housley (IAB)
>>>>> Russ Mundy (SSAC)
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben (GNSO)
>>>>> Xiaodong Lee (ccNSO)
>>>>> Alan Barrett (NRO)
>>>>> Lars-Johan Liman (RSSAC)
>>>>> Joseph Alhadeff (ICC/BASIS)
>>>>> Mary Uduma (ccNSO)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Liaisons
>>>>> Elise Gerich (IANA Staff Liaison)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apologies
>>>>> Kuo Wei Wu (ICANN Board Liaison)
>>>>> James Bladel (GNSO)
>>>>> Milton Mueller (GNSO)
>>>>> Hartmut Glaser (ASO)
>>>>> Manal Ismail (GAC)
>>>>> Mohamed El Bashir (ALAC)
>>>>> Patrik Fältström (SSAC)
>>>>> Thomas Schneider (GAC)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jennifer
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