[Internal-cg] Enquire if CWG(-Stewardship) Would Agree that we Submit

Thu Jan 14 08:44:10 UTC 2016

Again I'm not sure how helpful this would be in the form of a bald statement, given the controversy in CCWG-Accountability (and in some of the ICANN communities) on the real meaning of deadlines.  If I remember correctly there was a useful exchange last night about how this could be approached, but I'm not sure what the conclusion was.

Would this be a useful point of dialogue between ICG, CCWG-Accountability and possibly CWG-Stewardship chairs to look at the expected timescales, not just of the time for the proposal work to be completed, but also on implementation timeframe where details are firming up nicely in responding to the CWG-Stewardship recommendations.

Martin

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From: Internal-cg [mailto:internal-cg-bounces at ianacg.org] On Behalf Of WUKnoben
Sent: 14 January 2016 08:22
To: Alissa Cooper <alissa at cooperw.in>; Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net>
Cc: IANA etc etc Coordination Group <Internal-cg at ianacg.org>
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Enquire if CWG(-Stewardship) Would Agree thatwe Submit

I understand this being independent from the question whether we should send a note to CCWG (and board (and NTIA)) - as Jari suggested - appealing for a timely compromise solution.

I'm supporting this idea which would also signal that we're not just waiting (or even worse being in "sleeping mode") rather than closely following the debate and that ICG is deeply interested in the overall success of the transition.

Best regards

Wolf-Ulrich

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
From: Daniel Karrenberg
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:48 AM
To: Alissa Cooper
Cc: IANA etc etc Coordination Group
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Enquire if CWG(-Stewardship) Would Agree thatwe Submit

OK. There is obviously no chance for consensus to move ahead and thus we continue to wait as agreed previously. At least we now have on record that we considered alternatives.

Daniel

On 13.01.16 23:53 , Alissa Cooper wrote:
> We have the detailed comments that the CWG submitted just 3 weeks ago 
> to the CCWG that outline exactly how the present CCWG proposal does 
> and does not meet the CWG requirements. The CCWG has not issued a 
> further update to its proposal, so I don't see value in asking the CWG 
> about the dependencies now. We can read their comments and get a very 
> precise understanding of how they currently view the dependencies.
>
> Alissa
>
>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Daniel Karrenberg 
>> <daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net> wrote:
>>
>> If phrasing it like Wolf-Ulrich suggests would get consensus I am all 
>> for it.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 13.01.16 23:05 , WUKnoben wrote:
>>> I fully agree with Martin.
>>>
>>> The only thing we could ask from the CWG is about the status of 
>>> their dependencies, whether they think these are fulfilled and the 
>>> proposal ready to go. Anything else would be surprising to everybody.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Martin Boyle
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:42 PM
>>> To: Daniel Karrenberg ; IANA etc etcCoordination Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Enquire if CWG(-Stewardship) Would Agree 
>>> thatwe Submit
>>>
>>> As I noted, the CWG proposal is fully dependent on the CCWG work, 
>>> and that is noted at least by the ccNSO in their acceptance of the 
>>> CWG proposal.  I cannot imagine that the ccNSO would change its view 
>>> or allow the decision on completeness to be made by the ICANN Board.  
>>> I am worried that a request as you identify it, Daniel, would not 
>>> help our credibility as impartial Coordination Group, without 
>>> conferring any advantage in the process.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Internal-cg [mailto:internal-cg-bounces at ianacg.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of Daniel Karrenberg
>>> Sent: 13 January 2016 21:28
>>> To: IANA etc etc Coordination Group <Internal-cg at ianacg.org>
>>> Subject: [Internal-cg] Enquire if CWG(-Stewardship) Would Agree that 
>>> we Submit
>>>
>>>
>>> During our call I reflected on Jean-Jaques' question whether we 
>>> should (consider to) submit our work product to the ICANN board for 
>>> transmission to NTIA.
>>>
>>> After more reflection I think we should ask our chairs to make an 
>>> inquiry with the CWG chairs if it would be OK with CWG if we did submit.
>>>
>>> Reasons:
>>>
>>> First and foremost such a step would project an element of progress 
>>> of the transition process. From a distance this whole process 
>>> appears to be bogged down because the Internet community cannot 
>>> agree.  If ICG submits we can project that the operational 
>>> communities in fact agree on a substantial part of the *IANA* 
>>> transition. This whole process may well die from the perception of 
>>> stagnation and complications. Let us create the perception of partial agreement and success.
>>>
>>> Secondly if we submit we increase the barrier for re-opening the 
>>> discussion about our work product.
>>>
>>> I am not at all worried that we would give ICANN additional 
>>> discretion by submitting before CCWG does. But we would give them 
>>> some extra time to formally consider our proposal. And that is a 
>>> third good reason to not just sit and wait.
>>>
>>> So I consider it worthwhile to just check whether CWG would consider 
>>> to release us from our obligation to wait for their OK. In case they 
>>> agree we can still discuss what we want to do. If they don't the 
>>> question moot until the situation changes again.
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
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