[Internal-cg] transition proposal v5

Thu Oct 22 09:09:19 UTC 2015

I can share some view in ICG meeting today and tomorrow if you like to know. But it is not yet for board position as you know.

Kuo Wu

> joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com> 於 2015年10月22日 16:49 寫道：
> 
> Kuo:
> 
> In our earlier discussions, hadn't it been agreed that ICANN Board would actively participate in the comment and evaluation process? While we would not expect a formal sign off, an indication that the Board was comfortable with the proposal in its current state would be useful in clarifying that our work is nearly done.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On 10/22/2015 3:05 AM, Wu Kuo-Wei wrote:
>> I love to. We discuss it, but not all the members agree since waiting for CWG confirmation.
>> 
>> Kuo Wu
>> 
>>> Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net> 於 2015年10月22日 15:02 寫道：
>>> 
>>> Kuo,
>>> 
>>> personally I hope that the ICANN board would take note of the ICG
>>> proposal once we are finished with this final editing round even before
>>> we are able to formally submit it. It would be unfortunate if the ICANN
>>> board would decide to add comments that weaken the proposal when it is
>>> transmitted to NTIA, especially comments that could be addressed by
>>> ICG/OCs  already now while we wait for CWG confirmation.
>>> 
>>> My personal thoughts
>>> 
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> On 22.10.15 8:34 , Wu Kuo-Wei wrote:
>>>> Alissa and all,
>>>> 
>>>> ICANN board didn’t start to generate position yet since the final
>>>> proposal didn’t deliver to us yet. But we do talk about the IETF/RIRs
>>>> contract might transfer to PTI. We understand it. This is not the major
>>>> concern for us at this moment. We know the proposals from IANAPLAN and
>>>> CRISP better because they deliver earlier and almost no change (only the
>>>> SLA details need to discuss) since then.
>>>> 
>>>> Kuo Wu
>>>> 
>>>>> Alissa Cooper <alissa at cooperw.in <mailto:alissa at cooperw.in>> 於 2015年
>>>>> 10月22日 14:16 寫道：
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Elise,
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have had multiple confirmations from the other two communities that
>>>>> this approach is acceptable to them, in the public comments and
>>>>> elsewhere. It isn’t documented in the OC proposals because they were
>>>>> submitted before the PTI concept was invented.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alissa
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:23 AM, Elise Gerich <elise.gerich at icann.org
>>>>>> <mailto:elise.gerich at icann.org>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In paragraph X009 the version of the executive summary in Russ’ email
>>>>>> states:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> “Under the combined transition proposal the administrative staff and
>>>>>>> related resources, processes, data, and know-how associated with all
>>>>>>> of the IANA functions currently covered by the NTIA contract would
>>>>>>> be legally transferred to PTI.  ICANN would contract with the PTI
>>>>>>> for the performance of the naming functions."
>>>>>> Did I miss something in the protocol parameters’ and numbers’
>>>>>> communities proposals?  From my reading of their proposals as well as
>>>>>> the summary in paragraphs X007 and X008, neither of those communities
>>>>>> proposed that the administrative staff, etc. would be legally
>>>>>> transferred to PTI.  I agree this is a pragmatic implementation
>>>>>> approach, it is  just that I do not see that approach documented in
>>>>>> the numbers and protocol parameters proposals.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is this an ICG interpretation of what should happen rather than what
>>>>>> is specified in the two individual proposals?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Elise
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Internal-cg <internal-cg-bounces at ianacg.org
>>>>>> <mailto:internal-cg-bounces at ianacg.org>> on behalf of Russ Mundy
>>>>>> <mundy at tislabs.com <mailto:mundy at tislabs.com>>
>>>>>> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 1:26 AM
>>>>>> To: "internal-cg at ianacg.org <mailto:internal-cg at ianacg.org>"
>>>>>> <internal-cg at ianacg.org <mailto:internal-cg at ianacg.org>>
>>>>>> Cc: Russ Mundy <mundy at tislabs.com <mailto:mundy at tislabs.com>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] transition proposal v5
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’ve also carefully read the executive summary and the (relatively)
>>>>>>> new History of IANA section (para’s 02-06).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I like the changes Daniel suggestions to the exec summary and don’t
>>>>>>> have any further changes to suggest.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In the History section, I’ve made several readability changes in
>>>>>>> paragraphs 04 & 05 that I think make them clearer. If others
>>>>>>> disagree with the changes, I’m not wedded to these words so they can
>>>>>>> be further improved or reverted if the group would prefers.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I did spot one small factual error in the History section that I
>>>>>>> think I’ve corrected, i.e., the contract that was awarded in 2000 is
>>>>>>> not the one being replaced by this transition, rather, it is the
>>>>>>> contract that was awarded 2 Jul 2012 - I think that adding “a
>>>>>>> subsequent” to line 9 of 04 corrects the error.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’ve placed a version titled:
>>>>>>> IANA-transition-proposal-v5-karrenberg-mundy.docx in Dropbox.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> RussM
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Daniel Karrenberg
>>>>>>> <daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net <mailto:daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Signed PGP part
>>>>>>>> I have read the executive summary carefully and suggest two minor
>>>>>>>> edits dropping text. If they are not easily agreed, drop them and
>>>>>>>> move o
>>>>>>>> n.
>>>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/home/CoordinationGroup/Combined%20Proposal?previ
>>>>>>>> ew=IANA-transition-proposal-v5-karrenberg.docx
>>>>>>>> I also suggest a *major* edit to the final paragraphs, the "ICG
>>>>>>>> Recommendations." This is the most important part of the executive
>>>>>>>> summary and need to be a strong and clear statement. I believe we
>>>>>>>> deserve better than we have now and suggest we say just this:
>>>>>>>> X031The ICG unanimously supports this proposal and recommends to all
>>>>>>>> parties to implement it.
>>>>>>>> X032The ICG will transmit this proposal to the ICANN board for
>>>>>>>> submission to NTIA as soon as the CWG has confirmed that its
>>>>>>>> requirements regarding ICANN accountability have been met..
>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>> On 20.10.15 23:28 , Patrik Fältström wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I walked through the History Section to clean up the language a
>>>>>>>>> bit.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The -v5 now has red-line that marks my changes.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> paf
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2015, at 17:07, Alissa Cooper wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Updated proposal attached. Dropbox:
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pjchlea1b0ammd0/IANA-transition-proposal-v5
>>>>>>>> .docx?dl=0
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/pjchlea1b0ammd0/IANA-transition-proposal-v
>>>>>>>> 5.docx?dl=0>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Edits made:
>>>>>>>>>> - Deleted mentions of public comments from exec summary (except
>>>>>>>>>> the two people wanted to retain) - Edited and aligned all
>>>>>>>>>> references to CCWG dependency (per email thread started by
>>>>>>>>>> Daniel) - Added history section starting with paragraph 02 (per
>>>>>>>>>> Patrik) - Updated Figure 4 pie chart to reflect correct
>>>>>>>>>> statistics (per Lynn) - Edited implementation bullet item
>>>>>>>>>> related to issue resolution mechanisms (per Martin)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Alissa
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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