[Internal-cg] NTIA letter to ICG and CCWG

Fri May 8 09:45:24 UTC 2015

Colleagues,

I’d like to transfer this discussion going on the CCWG list to our group as well.
If coordination between the groups mentioned is going to take off I wonder whether IANAPLAN and CRISP shouldn’t be involved as well.

Best regards

Wolf-Ulrich

From: Kavouss Arasteh 
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 8:55 AM
To: WUKnoben 
Cc: Drazek, Keith ; Paul Rosenzweig ; Roelof Meijer ; mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr ; mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org ; Lise Fuhr 
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: Re: [CCWG-Advisors] CCWG near finaldraft proposal

I agree with Keith.
This is a matter required involvement of those entities/ persons Keith mentioned .I and Keith could attend that call as ICG Liaison since we know the details of CCWG and CWG.
Martin and few others could be involved
Kavouss  

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On 7 May 2015, at 21:51, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> wrote:

  I agree. We should undertake this effort very soon as time is short.

  Keith, why wouldn’t you – as ICG liaison to the CCWG – bring this to the ICG table?

  Best regards

  Wolf-Ulrich

  From: Drazek, Keith 
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 9:12 PM
  To: Paul Rosenzweig ; 'Roelof Meijer' ; Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr ; accountability-cross-community at icann.org 
  Cc: 'Lise Fuhr' 
  Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: Re: [CCWG-Advisors] CCWG near finaldraft proposal

  I think Paul’s assessment is accurate. 

  We, the community, will need to develop and recommend a consolidated timeline addressing all of the work-streams and dependencies (CWG, CCWG, ICG, ICANN Board, NTIA) to include the implementation phase described by Secretary Strickling. 

  To begin such an effort, I’d like to suggest a coordination meeting of the Co-Chairs of the CWG, CCWG and ICG, plus the ICANN Board liaisons from all 3 groups.  Perhaps we should also request clarification from NTIA regarding the time needed for their review and approval process, based on what they’ve seen so far from the community.

  Regards,

  Keith

  From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Rosenzweig
  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 1:37 PM
  To: 'Roelof Meijer'; Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr; accountability-cross-community at icann.org
  Cc: 'Lise Fuhr'
  Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: Re: [CCWG-Advisors] CCWG near final draft proposal

  I am quite sure Roelof that Strickling means exactly what you said.  I think he would be surprised that you would read it the other way since I think he would see the “ending of the contract” as the last day on which it is in effect – which would either be Sept 30 or the date to which the contract is extended.

  I am also pretty sure that what they are looking for is a realistic estimate so that they only have to do one single extension – not 3 months now and then 3 more and ….  In other words he is asking “how long do you REALLY need?”   I will note as well the repeat of the requirement for “implementation” – so the question is not “will we approve the changes in Dublin?” which is, to my mind at least, a relatively realistic expectation but rather “how long after the changes are approved in Dublin will it take for them to be implemented?” – that is the Bylaws changed; and IRP set up; and whatever structrures the CCWG and the CWG call for organized and the functions transferred etc.  That seems to me like a much harder and more indefinite question to answer

  Paul

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  From: Roelof Meijer [mailto:Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl] 
  Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:17 AM
  To: Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr; accountability-cross-community at icann.org
  Cc: Lise Fuhr
  Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: Re: [CCWG-Advisors] CCWG near final draft proposal

  What surprises me, is that the letter leaves room for (mis)interpretation on the essential content:

  “We have never viewed 30 September as a deadline, but have stated from the beginning of this process that the transition planning should proceed to whatever schedule the community sets” is clear and in line with what Mr. Strickling has publicly stated numerous times. It suggests implicitely that the contract will be extended if necessary to fit “whatever schedule the community sets”.

  However, the bit “..please bear in mind that the United States Government will need sufficient time to evaluate the proposal and that all work items identified … will need to be implemented prior to the ending of the contract.” is not so clear.

  We probably all assume that “the ending of the contract” refers to either 30 September 2015 or the end date of an (or the last of multiple) extension(s). 

  That is probably a safe assumption, but I fail to understand why Mr. Strickling did not insert a sentence to make that absolutely clear to anyone. Something like: “…prior to 30 September or the date to which the NTIA will extend the present contract to fit the schedule set by the community”.

  Best,

  Roelof

  From: Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
  Reply-To: Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
  Date: dinsdag 5 mei 2015 11:13
  To: "accountability-cross-community at icann.org" <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
  Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: Re: [CCWG-Advisors] CCWG near final draft proposal

  Dear Colleagues, 

  FYI attached is the feedback we have received from Jan Aart Scholte, our independent Advisor. Jan raises some very useful points for our further deliberations. 

  I would suggest we count this as "public comment input #1" and add this to our upcoming public comment analysis tool. 

  Best
  Mathieu

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        Sujet : 
       Re: [CCWG-Advisors] CCWG near final draft proposal

        Date : 
       Sun, 3 May 2015 14:14:43 +0000

        De : 
       Jan Aart Scholte mailto:jan.scholte at globalstudies.gu.se

        Pour : 
       Adam Peake mailto:adam.peake at icann.org, CCWG-Advisors mailto:ccwg-advisors at icann.org

Dear All Attached the promised more substantive comments for the CCWG on the draft proposal of 1 May 2015. Really impressive that things have got this far already, though as ever there can be suggestions for going further. Greetings Jan    

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