[Internal-cg] "Alternatives"

Sun Jun 28 15:28:27 UTC 2015

Hello Keith,

my understanding is the same as yours.

But whether or not the Assistant Secretary for Commerce aimed his remarks at CCWG Accountability or not, it remains that the ICG, having received its instructions and the 4 criteria for "transition" from the NTIA, cannot change or enlarge its remit, unless it receives written instructions to that effect from the US federal authorities who exercise oversight of the IANA functions. By accepting any (other) form of "advice" or influence, the ICG would compromise its duties of accountability and transparency to the global Internet community.

Best regards,
Jean-Jacques.

----- Mail original -----
De: "Keith Drazek" <kdrazek at verisign.com>
À: "Jean-Jacques Subrenat" <jjs at dyalog.net>
Cc: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson at apnic.net>, "IANA etc etc Coordination Group" <Internal-cg at ianacg.org>
Envoyé: Dimanche 28 Juin 2015 11:56:29
Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] "Alternatives"

In mentioning alternatives considered, I think Sec. Strickling was referring to the CCWG Accountability, not the ICG. Am I alone?

Best,
Keith

> On Jun 28, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques <jjs at dyalog.net> wrote:
> 
> To sum up the latest remarks on this thread:
> 
> - we will not request OCs to provide "comparative analysis of the different alternatives considered" (Manal);
> 
> - if we approach the OCs, for them it could only be "an opportunity to share any material they feel would support the submitted proposal, to be put on public record" (Manal);
> 
> - anything additional to our original remit would only be "for the purpose of consolidating the public record" (Jean-Jacques);
> 
> - we shall not change our remit unless we receive OFFICIAL, WRITTEN instructions to that effect (Jean-Jacques).
> 
> Best regards,
> Jean-Jacques.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson at apnic.net>
> À: "Manal Ismail" <manal at tra.gov.eg>
> Cc: "Jean-Jacques Subrenat" <jjs at dyalog.net>, "IANA etc etc Coordination Group" <Internal-cg at ianacg.org>, "Wolf-Ulrich Knoben" <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>
> Envoyé: Dimanche 28 Juin 2015 09:47:55
> Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] "Alternatives"
> 
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2015, at 21:41, Manal Ismail wrote:
>> Dear Jean-Jacques ..
>> 
>> At least this is my understanding ..
>> I believe, but stand to be corrected, that we're not requesting OCs to 
>> provide comparative analysis of the different alternatives considered, 
>> but offering an opportunity, for them, to share any material they feel 
>> would support the submitted proposal, to be put on public record ..
> 
> I agree.  It is an opportunity, not a requirement, to provide 
> information about alternatives which were considered.
> 
> Paul.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> --Manal
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques [mailto:jjs at dyalog.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 9:34 AM
>> To: Manal Ismail
>> Cc: IANA etc etc Coordination Group; Paul Wilson; Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] "Alternatives"
>> 
>> Dear Manal,
>> I could go along with the compromise suggested by you, insofar as it 
>> is about consolidating the public record.
>> Best regards,
>> Jean-Jacques.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Mail original -----
>> De: "Manal Ismail" <manal at tra.gov.eg>
>> À: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson at apnic.net>, "Wolf-Ulrich Knoben" 
>> <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>
>> Cc: "IANA etc etc Coordination Group" <Internal-cg at ianacg.org>
>> Envoyé: Samedi 27 Juin 2015 23:42:31
>> Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] "Alternatives"
>> 
>> Dear All ..
>> 
>> I had to leave the meeting before concluding, so allow me to 
>> re-iterate the following suggestion in writing ..
>> 
>> If we agree, in principle, on maintaining public record of the IANA 
>> transition process, then the ICG, through its chair(s), may reach out 
>> to the OCs with an email flagging ICG's intention to maintain public 
>> record that supports the IANA transition proposal, in accordance with 
>> Larry Strickling’s remarks at the "IANA Stewardship Transition & 
>> Evolution of ICANN Accountability" session on the Sunday of Buenos 
>> Aires ICANN meeting 
>> (file:///C:/Users/admin/Downloads/transcript-iana-stewardship-21jun15-en..pdf), 
>> where he stated:
>> <insert relevant excerpt(s) if necessary> And consequently ask the OCs 
>> to let the ICG know of any material their community believes would be 
>> useful to add to such record (for example: implications of the 
>> proposal, alternatives considered, reasons for excluding them, answers 
>> to anticipated questions, etc ... ) ..
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> --Manal
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Internal-cg [mailto:internal-cg-bounces at ianacg.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Paul Wilson
>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 7:19 AM
>> To: Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de
>> Cc: IANA etc etc Coordination Group
>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] "Alternatives"
>> 
>> Re
>> 
>>> IF you considered other alternatives, WHY did you decide against 
>>> them?
>> 
>> I am happy with this option.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Jun 2015, at 3:34, Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de wrote:
>>> I wonder whether we shouldn't question the communities, in case they
>>> considered alternative models, 1. Which were the principles laid down
>>> to guide them and 2. What was the decisive point for the option they
>>> have chosen.
>> 
>> This sounds a *little* too prescriptive for me, in terms of the answer 
>> we are looking for.
>> 
>> Perhaps what Wolf-Unrich is asking for could be expressed as:
>> 
>> “IF you considered other alternatives, WHY and HOW did you decide 
>> against them?”
>> 
>> Which I’d be ok with as well.
>> 
>> Paul.
>> 
>> 
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