[Internal-cg] Public comment period

Paul Wilson pwilson at apnic.net
Wed Jul 15 15:28:35 UTC 2015 

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On 12 Jul 2015, at 22:06, Manal Ismail wrote:
> I support what, I believe, the discussion has converged to ..
> 40 days public comment period (Jul 31st - Sep 8th) as initially 
> proposed by Alissa, with an early announcement as per Joe's suggestion 
> ..
> The best at hand ..
> Kind Regards
> --Manal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Internal-cg [mailto:internal-cg-bounces at ianacg.org] On Behalf Of 
> Alissa Cooper
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:59 AM
> To: Joseph Alhadeff
> Cc: internal-cg at ianacg.org
> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Public comment period
>
> Joe,
>
> Apologies if my message was not clear. I was not questioning your 
> dedication. I was grumbling about the situation that you correctly 
> pointed out, which is that some people out in the world may question 
> our process merely because it involves any work at all in the month of 
> August.
>
> I like your suggestion about announcing this week, let's take it up at 
> the end of our July 15 call.
>
> Alissa
>
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 5:42 AM, Joseph Alhadeff 
> <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> Colleagues
>>
>> I will be taking the sum total of one week off for the summer, so you 
>> need not impress on me the fact that people work and have 
>> responsibilities.  I am highlighting what may well be part of the 
>> public reaction to the timeline.  If we stick to this timeline, let 
>> us make a very broadly spread announcement about it early next week 
>> so no one can claim that they didn't know about the urgency of 
>> comments until after their summer vacation began. We should also 
>> underline the need to complete this work expeditiously and therefore 
>> these are not just arbitrary dates.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 1:51 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf at frobbit.se> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Milton, others,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the clarification. Let me strengthen the wording you use 
>>> Alissa bit more.
>>>
>>> Due to the timeline we have, the fact there is interest in 
>>> completing this business in time, that so many individuals do work 
>>> day, night, weekends and who knows how much time they spend, AND 
>>> that the timeline is known long in advance and more importantly, the 
>>> work is done in the open with ability to do preliminary assessments 
>>> all along the way....
>>>
>>> --->>> I am not a person that accept delays due to people being 
>>> lazy.
>>>
>>> A potential delay is something we ICG should introduce if we see 
>>> unknowns appearing. New steps we have to take. New things we had not 
>>> planned for that takes time. New things we must do to ensure we 
>>> produce high quality result.
>>>
>>> If people complain because they are on vacation, like maybe many
>>> people from Sweden will do, send them to me :-)
>>>
>>> Patrik
>>>
>>> P.S. Yes, I missed part of the call and discussions Wednesday this 
>>> week due to travel and meetings in Paris...yes, I could have 
>>> prioritized differently BUT, I would have missed a dinner with EARN 
>>> people that I have not met for 10+ years etc etc. Conclusion: Each 
>>> one of us do and have to prioritize OUR work, which I did, and I 
>>> expect all of you to do, but as a result I did NOT ask ICG to slow 
>>> down for a few days because of my [excellent] dinner in Paris. The 
>>> contrary, I know I now have to work during the weekend to catch up!
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11 Jul 2015, at 4:24, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Alissa,
>>>> Sorry my comment was not clear. I meant to agree with your proposal 
>>>> for a 40-day comment period.
>>>> I was responding to those who proposed 30 days, and agreeing with 
>>>> Joe that if the entire period was in August it would not be seen as 
>>>> credible. I don't however think we need another week in September 
>>>> as Joe suggested.
>>>>
>>>> --MM
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Alissa Cooper [mailto:alissa at cooperw.in]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 6:17 PM
>>>>> To: Milton L Mueller
>>>>> Cc: Joseph Alhadeff; internal-cg at ianacg.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Public comment period
>>>>>
>>>>> To be clear, my proposal is not to do something less than 40 days.
>>>>> It is to do
>>>>> 40 days exactly. E.g., July 31 to Sept 8.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we have to have two full weeks of public comment in September,
>>>>> we should probably cancel our F2F meeting. There is no point in us
>>>>> all traveling to meet in person when we won't have done hardly any
>>>>> analysis of the public comments received at the end of the public
>>>>> comment period. Also, what counts as a full week? Do these people
>>>>> whose vacations will be upset by a nearly 6-week public comment
>>>>> period count the first week of September as a "full week" even 
>>>>> though it includes one day of August?
>>>>>
>>>>> I will admit to being a bit frustrated with this line of argument.
>>>>> All of us and the people in the communities have been going to
>>>>> great lengths and making significant sacrifices to do the work 
>>>>> that
>>>>> the transition requires, including joining phone conferences in 
>>>>> the
>>>>> middle of the night and from remote locales, staying up all night
>>>>> working on parts of the proposals, flying around the world to have
>>>>> contentious meetings, and taking time away from our families and
>>>>> day jobs to volunteer our time for this. If commenters can't find 
>>>>> a
>>>>> bit of time within a 40-day window that spans both August and
>>>>> September to gather their thoughts on the proposal, then perhaps 
>>>>> we
>>>>> need not balance our needs against how little regard they will 
>>>>> have
>>>>> given to the transition process. To put it another way, I don't
>>>>> think we should blow our timeline to accommodate people who don't 
>>>>> care enough about the transition to comment on it given a nearly 
>>>>> 6-week-long window in which to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alissa
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed. We will get complaints from Europe and complaints from 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> DC lawyers who were already complaining about CWG's less than
>>>>>> 40-day comment periods
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A comment period that is mostly during august will not be seen 
>>>>>>> as
>>>>> credible..
>>>>>>> we need at least 2 weeks in september..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Alissa Cooper [alissa at cooperw.in]
>>>>>>> Received: Thursday, 09 Jul 2015, 6:30PM
>>>>>>> To: internal-cg at ianacg.org [internal-cg at ianacg.org]
>>>>>>> Subject: [Internal-cg] Public comment period
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We had a preliminary discussion in Buenos Aires about the length
>>>>>>> of our public comment period and I'd like to continue that here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our last call of this month is on July 29. If we agree on that
>>>>>>> call that we're ready to put the combined proposal to public
>>>>>>> comment, then we'll be looking at a launch around July 31 
>>>>>>> (giving
>>>>>>> a day or two to prep the web site and other materials after the
>>>>>>> call). A 40-day comment period would then end on September 8.
>>>>>>> That would provide 7 working days between the end of the public
>>>>>>> comment period and our F2F meeting to analyze the public 
>>>>>>> comments
>>>>>>> and coalesce them in some form for discussion at the F2F. This 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> very tight timing, but doable in my opinion. So I think we 
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> make this the provisional plan, of course
>>>>> subject to change if we need to change it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alissa
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