[Internal-cg] Public comment period

Manal Ismail manal at tra.gov.eg
Sun Jul 12 12:06:12 UTC 2015 

I support what, I believe, the discussion has converged to ..
40 days public comment period (Jul 31st - Sep 8th) as initially proposed by Alissa, with an early announcement as per Joe's suggestion ..
The best at hand ..
Kind Regards
--Manal

-----Original Message-----
From: Internal-cg [mailto:internal-cg-bounces at ianacg.org] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:59 AM
To: Joseph Alhadeff
Cc: internal-cg at ianacg.org
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Public comment period

Joe,

Apologies if my message was not clear. I was not questioning your dedication. I was grumbling about the situation that you correctly pointed out, which is that some people out in the world may question our process merely because it involves any work at all in the month of August.

I like your suggestion about announcing this week, let's take it up at the end of our July 15 call.

Alissa

On Jul 11, 2015, at 5:42 AM, Joseph Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com> wrote:

> Colleagues
> 
> I will be taking the sum total of one week off for the summer, so you need not impress on me the fact that people work and have responsibilities.  I am highlighting what may well be part of the public reaction to the timeline.  If we stick to this timeline, let us make a very broadly spread announcement about it early next week so no one can claim that they didn't know about the urgency of comments until after their summer vacation began. We should also underline the need to complete this work expeditiously and therefore these are not just arbitrary dates.
> 
> Joe
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 1:51 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf at frobbit.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Milton, others,
>> 
>> Thanks for the clarification. Let me strengthen the wording you use Alissa bit more.
>> 
>> Due to the timeline we have, the fact there is interest in completing this business in time, that so many individuals do work day, night, weekends and who knows how much time they spend, AND that the timeline is known long in advance and more importantly, the work is done in the open with ability to do preliminary assessments all along the way....
>> 
>> --->>> I am not a person that accept delays due to people being lazy.
>> 
>> A potential delay is something we ICG should introduce if we see unknowns appearing. New steps we have to take. New things we had not planned for that takes time. New things we must do to ensure we produce high quality result.
>> 
>> If people complain because they are on vacation, like maybe many 
>> people from Sweden will do, send them to me :-)
>> 
>>  Patrik
>> 
>> P.S. Yes, I missed part of the call and discussions Wednesday this week due to travel and meetings in Paris...yes, I could have prioritized differently BUT, I would have missed a dinner with EARN people that I have not met for 10+ years etc etc. Conclusion: Each one of us do and have to prioritize OUR work, which I did, and I expect all of you to do, but as a result I did NOT ask ICG to slow down for a few days because of my [excellent] dinner in Paris. The contrary, I know I now have to work during the weekend to catch up!
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11 Jul 2015, at 4:24, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alissa,
>>> Sorry my comment was not clear. I meant to agree with your proposal for a 40-day comment period.
>>> I was responding to those who proposed 30 days, and agreeing with Joe that if the entire period was in August it would not be seen as credible. I don't however think we need another week in September as Joe suggested.
>>> 
>>> --MM
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alissa Cooper [mailto:alissa at cooperw.in]
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 6:17 PM
>>>> To: Milton L Mueller
>>>> Cc: Joseph Alhadeff; internal-cg at ianacg.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Public comment period
>>>> 
>>>> To be clear, my proposal is not to do something less than 40 days. 
>>>> It is to do
>>>> 40 days exactly. E.g., July 31 to Sept 8.
>>>> 
>>>> If we have to have two full weeks of public comment in September, 
>>>> we should probably cancel our F2F meeting. There is no point in us 
>>>> all traveling to meet in person when we won't have done hardly any 
>>>> analysis of the public comments received at the end of the public 
>>>> comment period. Also, what counts as a full week? Do these people 
>>>> whose vacations will be upset by a nearly 6-week public comment 
>>>> period count the first week of September as a "full week" even though it includes one day of August?
>>>> 
>>>> I will admit to being a bit frustrated with this line of argument. 
>>>> All of us and the people in the communities have been going to 
>>>> great lengths and making significant sacrifices to do the work that 
>>>> the transition requires, including joining phone conferences in the 
>>>> middle of the night and from remote locales, staying up all night 
>>>> working on parts of the proposals, flying around the world to have 
>>>> contentious meetings, and taking time away from our families and 
>>>> day jobs to volunteer our time for this. If commenters can't find a 
>>>> bit of time within a 40-day window that spans both August and 
>>>> September to gather their thoughts on the proposal, then perhaps we 
>>>> need not balance our needs against how little regard they will have 
>>>> given to the transition process. To put it another way, I don't 
>>>> think we should blow our timeline to accommodate people who don't care enough about the transition to comment on it given a nearly 6-week-long window in which to do so.
>>>> 
>>>> Alissa
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Agreed. We will get complaints from Europe and complaints from the 
>>>>> DC lawyers who were already complaining about CWG's less than 
>>>>> 40-day comment periods
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A comment period that is mostly during august will not be seen as
>>>> credible..
>>>>>> we need at least 2 weeks in september..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Alissa Cooper [alissa at cooperw.in]
>>>>>> Received: Thursday, 09 Jul 2015, 6:30PM
>>>>>> To: internal-cg at ianacg.org [internal-cg at ianacg.org]
>>>>>> Subject: [Internal-cg] Public comment period
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We had a preliminary discussion in Buenos Aires about the length 
>>>>>> of our public comment period and I'd like to continue that here.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Our last call of this month is on July 29. If we agree on that 
>>>>>> call that we're ready to put the combined proposal to public 
>>>>>> comment, then we'll be looking at a launch around July 31 (giving 
>>>>>> a day or two to prep the web site and other materials after the 
>>>>>> call). A 40-day comment period would then end on September 8. 
>>>>>> That would provide 7 working days between the end of the public 
>>>>>> comment period and our F2F meeting to analyze the public comments 
>>>>>> and coalesce them in some form for discussion at the F2F. This is 
>>>>>> very tight timing, but doable in my opinion. So I think we should 
>>>>>> make this the provisional plan, of course
>>>> subject to change if we need to change it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alissa
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