[Internal-cg] Contracting

Sun Apr 26 21:07:21 UTC 2015

Dear All,
Thank you for your comments
1. I do not think that any thing was sent from ICANN or ICANN  Staff to
ICGin regard with what Alissa said
Quote
" Shouldn’t we expect the same from ICANN? If ICANN legal is attempting to
make major alterations in the terms of the contractual rights exercised by
an operational community as part of the transition, isn’t it interfering
with the consensus proposal of the affected operational community? There is
also the fact that these negotiations are going on behind the scenes and
are not transparent to the whole involved community.”
Unquote
I do not know what was the  procedural validity of ICANN Staff to say so.
The Board has a Liaison to ICG and I have not seen any formal comment from
that Liasion .
2. I do not think that we should have any statement issued as we have not
received any formal statement from ICANN.
3. In regard with separate arrangemnt between the operational communities
and ICANN or a single arrangemnt , we should not jump to any conclusion
4 What Milton saying that IETF has  already had the right to “split” or
terminate its MoU with ICANN and has had that right for 15 years through
various iterations of the IANA contract. CRISP has proposed something
similar. This is existing practice , Whether the same practice would be
valid for transition we need to carefully read the CWG output on hoew these
existing MoU are to be treated.
We need to discuss all these after careful examination of the CWG output
Pls then wait until we carefully review the matter and then to decide what
appropriate actions to be taken
Kavouss

2015-04-26 22:33 GMT+02:00 Alissa Cooper <alissa at cooperw.in>:

> The thread below as well as the following paragraph in Milton’s memo
> raised a question for me:
>
> “... negotiations between CRISP and ICANN legal raise a very important
> process issue. As ICG we have viewed ourselves as an entity that receives
> consensus proposals from the operational communities and does not try to
> alter them. Shouldn’t we expect the same from ICANN? If ICANN legal is
> attempting to make major alterations in the terms of the contractual rights
> exercised by an operational community as part of the transition, isn’t it
> interfering with the consensus proposal of the affected operational
> community? There is also the fact that these negotiations are going on
> behind the scenes and are not transparent to the whole involved community.”
>
> My understanding is that the IETF folks are encountering some of the same
> things as CRISP. Do we think it would help if the ICG put out a statement
> of some sort indicating that we continue to expect all interested parties,
> including ICANN staff, to express their opinions about the transition
> proposals openly and transparently within the community processes? And that
> includes opinions about the acceptability of principles and mechanisms
> associated with contractual arrangements between the communities and the
> IANA functions operator?
>
> Alissa
>
> On Apr 24, 2015, at 5:34 AM, Lynn St.Amour <Lynn at LStAmour.org> wrote:
>
> > Milton,
> >
> > A big +1 to "Let me also remind us that this is a bottom up process and
> ICG has no business modifying or rejecting proposals based on what it
> thinks NTIA wants.  NTIA’s criteria are public us and they do _not_ include
> any thing about splitting the IANA functions."
> >
> > Lynn
> >
> > On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, reading these notes, I see this from Keith:
> >>
> >> “NTIA suggests that anything which threatens to split the IANA
> functions would be difficult for them to accept ‐ so the idea that
> Protocols, Numbers or Names would have independent right of contract
> termination maybe troublesome to NTIA ?”
> >>
> >> I was not there for the full context, of course, so I may be
> misinterpreting, but on its face this is incorrect, in my opinion. I would
> like to know from Keith when and where NTIA suggested this.
> >>
> >> Let’s keep in mind that IETF already has the right to “split” or
> terminate its MoU with ICANN and has had that right for 15 years through
> various iterations of the IANA contract. CRISP has proposed something
> similar.
> >>
> >> Let me also remind us that this is a bottom up process and ICG has no
> business modifying or rejecting proposals based on what it thinks NTIA
> wants. NTIA’s criteria are public us and they do _not_ include any thing
> about splitting the IANA functions.
> >>
> >> --MM
> >>
> >> From: Internal-cg [mailto:internal-cg-bounces at ianacg.org] On Behalf Of
> Jennifer Chung
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:10 PM
> >> To: internal-cg at ianacg.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] ICG Call #15: Attendance list and Chat
> Transcript
> >>
> >> Apologies, the attachment was missing to the last email.  Attached
> please find the chat transcript for ICG Call 15.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Jennifer
> >>
> >> From: Jennifer Chung [mailto:jen at icgsec.asia]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:09 PM
> >> To: 'internal-cg at ianacg.org'
> >> Subject: ICG Call #15: Attendance list and Chat Transcript
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >> Please find the chat transcript (attached) and the attendance roll call
> (below) for Call 15.  Please let me know if you note any discrepancies:
> >>
> >> ICG Members
> >> Kavouss Arasteh (GAC)
> >> Paul Wilson (NRO)
> >> Daniel Karrenberg (RSSAC)
> >> Keith Davidson (ccNSO)
> >> Alissa Cooper (IETF)
> >> Jean-Jacques Subrenat (ALAC)
> >> Jari Arkko (IETF)
> >> Martin Boyle (ccNSO)
> >> Demi Getschko (ISOC)
> >> Jandyr Ferreira dos Santos (GAC)
> >> Keith Drazek (gTLD Registries)
> >> Jon Nevett (gTLD Registries)
> >> Lynn St. Amour (IAB)
> >> Michael Niebel (GAC)
> >> Narelle Clark (ISOC)
> >> Russ Housley (IAB)
> >> Russ Mundy (SSAC)
> >> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben (GNSO)
> >> Xiaodong Lee (ccNSO)
> >> Alan Barrett (NRO)
> >> Lars-Johan Liman (RSSAC)
> >> Joseph Alhadeff (ICC/BASIS)
> >> Mary Uduma (ccNSO)
> >>
> >> Liaisons
> >> Elise Gerich (IANA Staff Liaison)
> >>
> >> Apologies
> >> Kuo Wei Wu (ICANN Board Liaison)
> >> James Bladel (GNSO)
> >> Milton Mueller (GNSO)
> >> Hartmut Glaser (ASO)
> >> Manal Ismail (GAC)
> >> Mohamed El Bashir (ALAC)
> >> Patrik Fältström (SSAC)
> >> Thomas Schneider (GAC)
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >> Jennifer
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