<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>I also agree with Wolf, Martin and Mana</div><div> AS WELL AS WITH aLISSA</div><div>rEGARDS</div><div>kAVOUSS </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-01-14 8:18 GMT+01:00 Manal Ismail <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks Daniel for your message ..<br>
I agree with the collective responses by Martin, Wolf-Ulrich and Alissa ..<br>
Given the clear dependency between both proposals, we have committed to seek CWG confirmation that their requirements have been met by the CCWG proposal before final submission ..<br>
- this dependency still exists<br>
- there is an ongoing dialogue between the CWG & the CCWG on unmet requirements<br>
- we have CWG's comments on the CCWG proposal kindly circulated by Keith (I have to admit not reading them yet)<br>
So I don't see any changes that would make us ask the CWG about submitting the proposal to the ICANN board, as we already know dependencies are not yet fully resolved; nor can we ask about the status of the interdependencies yet, until we read/discuss CWG's comments at hand ..<br>
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Kind Regards<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--Manal<br>
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Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Enquire if CWG(-Stewardship) Would Agree thatwe Submit<br>
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We have the detailed comments that the CWG submitted just 3 weeks ago to the CCWG that outline exactly how the present CCWG proposal does and does not meet the CWG requirements. The CCWG has not issued a further update to its proposal, so I don't see value in asking the CWG about the dependencies now. We can read their comments and get a very precise understanding of how they currently view the dependencies.<br>
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Alissa<br>
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> On Jan 13, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Daniel Karrenberg <<a href="mailto:daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net">daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> If phrasing it like Wolf-Ulrich suggests would get consensus I am all<br>
> for it.<br>
><br>
> Daniel<br>
><br>
> On 13.01.16 23:05 , WUKnoben wrote:<br>
>> I fully agree with Martin.<br>
>><br>
>> The only thing we could ask from the CWG is about the status of their<br>
>> dependencies, whether they think these are fulfilled and the proposal<br>
>> ready to go. Anything else would be surprising to everybody.<br>
>><br>
>> Best regards<br>
>><br>
>> Wolf-Ulrich<br>
>><br>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Martin Boyle<br>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:42 PM<br>
>> To: Daniel Karrenberg ; IANA etc etcCoordination Group<br>
>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Enquire if CWG(-Stewardship) Would Agree<br>
>> thatwe Submit<br>
>><br>
>> As I noted, the CWG proposal is fully dependent on the CCWG work, and<br>
>> that is noted at least by the ccNSO in their acceptance of the CWG<br>
>> proposal. I cannot imagine that the ccNSO would change its view or<br>
>> allow the decision on completeness to be made by the ICANN Board. I<br>
>> am worried that a request as you identify it, Daniel, would not help<br>
>> our credibility as impartial Coordination Group, without conferring<br>
>> any advantage in the process.<br>
>><br>
>> Martin<br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: Internal-cg [mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org">internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org</a>] On Behalf<br>
>> Of Daniel Karrenberg<br>
>> Sent: 13 January 2016 21:28<br>
>> To: IANA etc etc Coordination Group <<a href="mailto:Internal-cg@ianacg.org">Internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: [Internal-cg] Enquire if CWG(-Stewardship) Would Agree that<br>
>> we Submit<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> During our call I reflected on Jean-Jaques' question whether we<br>
>> should (consider to) submit our work product to the ICANN board for<br>
>> transmission to NTIA.<br>
>><br>
>> After more reflection I think we should ask our chairs to make an<br>
>> inquiry with the CWG chairs if it would be OK with CWG if we did submit.<br>
>><br>
>> Reasons:<br>
>><br>
>> First and foremost such a step would project an element of progress<br>
>> of the transition process. From a distance this whole process appears<br>
>> to be bogged down because the Internet community cannot agree. If<br>
>> ICG submits we can project that the operational communities in fact<br>
>> agree on a substantial part of the *IANA* transition. This whole<br>
>> process may well die from the perception of stagnation and<br>
>> complications. Let us create the perception of partial agreement and success.<br>
>><br>
>> Secondly if we submit we increase the barrier for re-opening the<br>
>> discussion about our work product.<br>
>><br>
>> I am not at all worried that we would give ICANN additional<br>
>> discretion by submitting before CCWG does. But we would give them<br>
>> some extra time to formally consider our proposal. And that is a<br>
>> third good reason to not just sit and wait.<br>
>><br>
>> So I consider it worthwhile to just check whether CWG would consider<br>
>> to release us from our obligation to wait for their OK. In case they<br>
>> agree we can still discuss what we want to do. If they don't the<br>
>> question moot until the situation changes again.<br>
>><br>
>> Daniel<br>
>><br>
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