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My recollection of the comment was a statement that the voting
potential might be dependent on some developments related to
parallel work-streams. Not being in those, I can't be specific as
to details. Absent a specific objection from anyone who may know
better we'll take the Milton's comments on board as suggested;
unless your second paragraph suggests a need for a change as to tone
related to the likelihood of government ccTLD voting impacting
outcome ?<br>
<br>
Joe<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/28/2015 9:41 AM, Martin Boyle
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
would just note that the CSC is not supposed to be a voting
body, but might if it escalated to the ccNSO and GNSO for
possible further escalation. That step suggests to me that
it will need to work through consensus, but then its role
should be focussed on the technical performance, so the
decision will be about whether the IANA functions operator
will be able to put [whatever mess] right.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thats
not to belittle the chance of voting, but it would be
inappropriate to prevent a ccTLD being represented because
it was government owned or controlled. I think the answer
to the concern would be that even two
government-controlled ccTLDs would not have an absolute
majority in and decision by vote.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
cannot remember the discussion Joe alludes to: I think I
might have questioned this, if someone had: the thing about
the CSC is that it should seek to resolve performance issues
with the PTI (or a subsequent IANA functions operator) to
the PTI Board and further if necessary. In itself it can
only refer performance issues that are not being resolved to
the ccNSO & GNSO for consideration. It would be for
the ccNSO and GNSO to decide whether the issue were serious
enough to refer to a special IFR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So
Im fine with Miltons re-wording.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> Internal-cg
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>joseph alhadeff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 September 2015 17:01<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] FW: Please find
attached revised summary proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Milton:<br>
<br>
I am fine with the suggestion, if others are OK.. Recall that
they yellow was to see if there was a needed cross reference
to other sections that might address the issue more fully. I
recall that a question had been raised at the meeting, perhaps
by Kavouss, questioning the assertion related to voting in the
CSC being a real issue due to issues being resolved in
parallel workstreams...<br>
<br>
Joe <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/26/2015 11:14 AM, Mueller, Milton L
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Joe,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
would like to suggest some improvements in the paragraph
on the NTIA criterion pertaining to governments.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A range of comments addressed the role of
governments. Among the most relevant: a couple felt that
government roles would be too constrained and they would not
be able to fulfill all of the criteria of the Tunis Agenda;
<span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">a
couple also highlighted a concern for the possible role
future legislation by US government based on concern of
jurisdiction</span>; and
<span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">more
commentators focused on what they perceived to be a
possible enhanced voting role for the GAC and concerns of
governments as owners of ccTLDs in the CSC</span>. The
proposal cannot address all hypothetical situations and has
relied on the community processes to find the right balance
across the stakeholder equities and operational
requirements. The ICG sees no further action as appropriate
at this point, but notes the concerns raised.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">I
would propose to replace this paragraph with the following
statement:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4E79"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">The
overwhelming majority of comments agreed that the proposal
does not replace NTIA stewardship with a government-led or
intergovernmental solution. Some comments felt that
governmental roles would be too constrained; others felt
that the role of the U.S. government was still too strong
due to the retention of U.S. jurisdiction. A few other
commentators expressed concerns about the role of
government-controlled ccTLDs in the CSC. The ICG notes the
concerns raised, but believes that the proposal has relied
on the community processes to find the right balance
across the stakeholder equities and operational
requirements, and thus sees no further action as needed.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4E79"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">A
small number of comments expressed concern about the
strengthening of the GAC in the new accountability
arrangements. The ICG notes that insofar as they justify
changes in the proposal, these comments are best addressed
by the CCWG on enhanced accountability.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
Internal-cg [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jennifer Chung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 25, 2015 1:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Internal-cg] FW: Please find
attached revised summary proposal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">FYI
please see the email from Joe below with the attached
proposed text.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
joseph alhadeff [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com">mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 25, 2015 1:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jennifer Chung <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jen@icgsec.asia"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jen@icgsec.asia">jen@icgsec.asia</a></a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Fwd: Please find attached revised
summary proposal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">FYI<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please find attached revised
summary proposal<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tue, 22 Sep 2015 09:49:09
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<p class="MsoNormal">joseph alhadeff <a
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com"><joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com></a></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<pre>Please note that I found no cross reference in our proposal to the role <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>of government as multistakeholder participant that would address the <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>concern raised that such participation may bee seen as at odds with the <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>NTIA criteria. I have tried to raise an innocuous addition as a <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>footnote to deal with the concern in a neutral fashion. I have <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>highlighted it in red to facilitate ease of comment. Those topics <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>highlighted in yellow are possible places where other more specific work <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>may supersede this language and be replaced by a cross reference. There <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>is one margin question as well.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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