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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">On the contrary. We need to be aware of the issues and the questions, but I don’t want to go into this level of detail in our final proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> joseph alhadeff [mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> 28 September 2015 15:07<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Boyle; internal-cg@ianacg.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] FW: Please find attached revised summary proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">My recollection of the comment was a statement that the voting potential might be dependent on some developments related to parallel work-streams. Not being in those, I can't be specific as to details. Absent
a specific objection from anyone who may know better we'll take the Milton's comments on board as suggested; unless your second paragraph suggests a need for a change as to tone related to the likelihood of government ccTLD voting impacting outcome ?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/28/2015 9:41 AM, Martin Boyle wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would just note that the CSC is not supposed to be a voting body, but might if it escalated to the ccNSO and GNSO for possible further escalation. That step
suggests to me that it will need to work through consensus, but then its role should be focussed on the technical performance, so the decision will be about whether the IANA functions operator will be able to put [whatever mess] right.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That’s not to belittle the chance of voting, but it would be inappropriate to prevent a ccTLD being represented because it was government owned or controlled.
I think the answer to the “concern” would be that even two government-controlled ccTLDs would not have an absolute majority in and decision by vote.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I cannot remember the discussion Joe alludes to: I think I might have questioned this, if someone had: the thing about the CSC is that it should seek to resolve
performance issues with the PTI (or a subsequent IANA functions operator) “to the PTI Board and further if necessary.” In itself it can only refer performance issues that are not being resolved to the ccNSO & GNSO “for consideration.” It would be for the
ccNSO and GNSO to decide whether the issue were serious enough to refer to a special IFR.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So I’m fine with Milton’s re-wording.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Martin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Internal-cg [<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>joseph alhadeff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26 September 2015 17:01<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] FW: Please find attached revised summary proposal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Milton:<br>
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I am fine with the suggestion, if others are OK.. Recall that they yellow was to see if there was a needed cross reference to other sections that might address the issue more fully. I recall that a question had been raised at the meeting, perhaps by Kavouss,
questioning the assertion related to voting in the CSC being a real issue due to issues being resolved in parallel workstreams...<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/26/2015 11:14 AM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Joe,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would like to suggest some improvements in the paragraph on the NTIA criterion pertaining to governments.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A range of comments addressed the role of governments. Among the most relevant: a couple felt that government roles would be too constrained and they would not be able to fulfill all of the criteria of the Tunis Agenda;
<span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">a couple also highlighted a concern for the possible role future legislation by US government based on concern of jurisdiction</span>; and
<span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">more commentators focused on what they perceived to be a possible enhanced voting role for the GAC and concerns of governments as owners of ccTLDs in the CSC</span>. The proposal cannot address all hypothetical
situations and has relied on the community processes to find the right balance across the stakeholder equities and operational requirements. The ICG sees no further action as appropriate at this point, but notes the concerns raised.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">I would propose to replace this paragraph with the following statement:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">The overwhelming majority of comments agreed that the proposal does not replace NTIA stewardship with a government-led or intergovernmental solution. Some
comments felt that governmental roles would be too constrained; others felt that the role of the U.S. government was still too strong due to the retention of U.S. jurisdiction. A few other commentators expressed concerns about the role of government-controlled
ccTLDs in the CSC. The ICG notes the concerns raised, but believes that the proposal has relied on the community processes to find the right balance across the stakeholder equities and operational requirements, and thus sees no further action as needed.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">A small number of comments expressed concern about the strengthening of the GAC in the new accountability arrangements. The ICG notes that insofar as they
justify changes in the proposal, these comments are best addressed by the CCWG on enhanced accountability.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jennifer Chung<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 25, 2015 1:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Internal-cg] FW: Please find attached revised summary proposal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">FYI please see the email from Joe below with the attached proposed text.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> joseph alhadeff [<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com">mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 25, 2015 1:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jennifer Chung <<a href="mailto:jen@icgsec.asia">jen@icgsec.asia</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Fwd: Please find attached revised summary proposal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Please note that I found no cross reference in our proposal to the role <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>of government as multistakeholder participant that would address the <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>concern raised that such participation may bee seen as at odds with the <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>NTIA criteria. I have tried to raise an innocuous addition as a <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>footnote to deal with the concern in a neutral fashion. I have <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>highlighted it in red to facilitate ease of comment. Those topics <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>highlighted in yellow are possible places where other more specific work <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>may supersede this language and be replaced by a cross reference. There <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>is one margin question as well.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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