<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Dear Wolf</div><div>I do not understand the purpose of the one hour meeting.</div><div>If you are interested you can go there but without any involvement if ICG in any discussion affecting our works</div><div>In an independent manner</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 10 Sep 2015, at 11:57, WUKnoben <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>Hi Elise,</div>
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the late reaction to your kind message. I\u2019m still interested to visit the IANA
office on 17 September at the occasion of the ICG meeting next week. Main
interest is to see the IANA staff working environment in order to get an
impression which \u201chardware\u201d we\u2019re talking about besides the complex context
thereof. In addition, a little exchange with you and your colleages available
would be appreciated.</div>
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colleagues showed interest to join (Hartmuth, Martin, Joe, Mary, maybe Kuo-Wei
Wu) depending on their flight schedule. So we should be a small team somewhat
between 1 and 5. I guess around 1 hour would be enough time .</div>
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ask you not to initiate a big effort around the visit. Perhaps it could be
arranged later in the afternoon that we can move thereafter to the reception
planned at the hotel (time?). <br><br>Thanks and
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="elise.gerich@icann.org" href="mailto:elise.gerich@icann.org">Elise Gerich</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:16 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de">WUKnoben</a> ; <a title="kuoweiwu@gmail.com" href="mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com">kuoweiwu@gmail.com</a>
; <a title="alissa@cooperw.in" href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">Alissa Cooper</a>
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<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="internal-cg@ianacg.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Thoughts on proposal
assessments</div></div></div>
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<div>Dear Wolf-Ulrich and all of you have expressed an interest,</div>
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<div>You are certainly welcome to visit the office in Playa Vista, California on
Thursday Sept 17th. Other than seeing where we work and introductions to
individuals in the department, it is unclear whether that is worth the trip to
our office. The hotel where the ICG meeting will take place is about 30
minutes by car from our office (that is what Google maps indicates).</div>
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<div>Also, Keith Davidson has already planned a working meeting with us to
discuss the ccNSO FOI for Thursday afternoon, and we would have to coordinate
the visit to not conflict with this previously scheduled meeting. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Do let me know if you are still interested in visiting the ICANN office in
Playa Vista, and we will work to find a time that is mutually convenient.</div>
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<div>See you all at the ICG meeting in Los Angeles in September,</div>
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<div>-- Elise </div>
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PM<br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </span>Elise Gerich <<a href="mailto:elise.gerich@icann.org">elise.gerich@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com">kuoweiwu@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com">kuoweiwu@gmail.com</a>>, Alissa Cooper
<<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">alissa@cooperw.in</a>><br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>><br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Internal-cg] Thoughts on proposal
assessments<br></div>
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<div>Dear Elise, all,</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">as my
travel for the ICG September meeting in LA has now been arranged thanks to
ICANN travel department I\u2019m thinking how to make best use of the time
available. My wish is to grab the chance and visit the IANA department \u2013 in an
individual capacity.</div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">My
arrival shall be 12:40 on Thursday Sep 17. There would be time in the
afternoon for the visit. If it could be arranged in a non-official way I'd
really appreciate. Maybe other ICG colleagues are interested and find time to
join.<br></div>
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regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="elise.gerich@icann.org" href="mailto:elise.gerich@icann.org">Elise Gerich</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 10, 2015 2:44 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de">WUKnoben</a> ; <a title="kuoweiwu@gmail.com" href="mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com">kuoweiwu@gmail.com</a> ; <a title="alissa@cooperw.in" href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">Alissa Cooper</a>
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<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="internal-cg@ianacg.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Thoughts on proposal
assessments</div></div></div>
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<div>Wolf-Ulrich,</div>
<div>We are following the assessment of the various proposals and are curious
as to what the final impact will be on our current operational structure and
the interdependencies of the functions.</div>
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<div>-- Elise </div>
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AM<br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com">kuoweiwu@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:kuoweiwu@gmail.com">kuoweiwu@gmail.com</a>>, Alissa Cooper
<<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">alissa@cooperw.in</a>><br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>><br><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Internal-cg] Thoughts on
proposal assessments<br></div>
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<div>Kuo-Wei,</div>
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<div>I'm glad you raising this point. I've already raised my finger several
times </div>
<div>in various meetings - including the CSG meeting with the board in BA -
in </div>
<div>order not to forget the people in the present and future IANA
organisation. </div>
<div>They are the ones who ensure continuous operational excellence which is
</div>
<div>crucial with regards to the security, stability and resiliency of the
</div>
<div>system - one of the basic NTIA requirements.</div>
<div>Career plan of staff is one element between others.</div>
<div>I would encourage to outreach at an appropriate time. Maybe Elise as
staff </div>
<div>liaison could gide us.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best regards</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Wolf-Ulrich</div>
<div> </div>
<div>-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- </div>
<div>From: Wu Kuo-Wei</div>
<div>Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 4:45 PM</div>
<div>To: Alissa Cooper</div>
<div>Cc: ICG Coordination Group</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Thoughts on proposal assessments</div>
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<div>If I may, I like to speak in my personal capacity. If you don\u2019t agree
the </div>
<div>liaison\u2019s position proper to say anything, you can drop my
comment.</div>
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<div>Alissa Cooper <<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">alissa@cooperw.in</a>> \u65bc 2015\u5e747\u67088\u65e5
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<div>Thank you to everyone who did a names proposal assessment. I wrote
down a </div>
<div>few thoughts in preparation for our discussion on July 8.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Both Alan and the names folks (Wolf-Ulrich, Mary, Keith, and Martin)
point </div>
<div>out that there are areas where more detail will be developed as part
of </div>
<div>implementation (service levels, IANA budget, PTI budget, etc.). It
would </div>
<div>be helpful for us to have the definitive list of these for our
reference. </div>
<div>Is that list somewhere in the proposal (or supporting
material)?</div></blockquote>
<div> </div>
<div>It could be part of implementation. But as name proposal, it try to
separate </div>
<div>the policy and operator to establish PTI. We might need to get some
input </div>
<div>from IANA people who will be moved to PTI as name proposal (as the long
term </div>
<div>stability issue of PTI). It is critical for such design working well
for the </div>
<div>career development for IANA people in the long run. At the current
status, </div>
<div>IANA people can move to other department of ICANN for better career
plan, </div>
<div>and receiving reasonable promotion. We (ICG and ICANN) might need to
learn </div>
<div>IANA people, not just treat them as \u201cbox\u201d. We decide their future, but
</div>
<div>ignore their voice. So I will suggest to add this into the list other
than </div>
<div>SLA, budget,..).</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Again, if you don\u2019t agree the liaison position proper to say, please
drop my </div>
<div>comment.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Kuo Wu</div>
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<div>Alan, Russ Housley and Russ Mundy point out that the proposal cannot
be </div>
<div>considered complete since it is dependent on outputs from the CCWG.
My </div>
<div>question: does that prevent us in the ICG from moving forward with
public </div>
<div>comment and proposal finalization while we await the output of the
CCWG? </div>
<div>My personal view is that it does not but I wanted to check.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Russ Mundy raises a good question about the Root Zone Maintainer\u2019s
</div>
<div>relationship to the IFO and I look forward to our discussion of that.
I </div>
<div>note that the SSAC made a similar comment to the CWG in its approval
of </div>
<div>the proposal. Again I don\u2019t think this is necessarily blocking on our
</div>
<div>work, but it might be a detail where we need to seek
clarification.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Alissa</div>
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