<html><head></head><body style=""><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yiv5258740038"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_109866"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_109865" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_75365">I think that the Contract between IETF and ICANN provided for the evaluation of the IFO performance for the Protocol Parameter IANA function, in the same way the contract being crafted by the CRISP Team provided for the evaluation of the IFO performance of the Numbering IANA function.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_90533"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_111476">As far as I understand from Alan's answers to me in one of my questions during our last call, Numbering Community has no interaction with PTI as depicted in the graphics. (If I am wrong, Alan you can correct me.) <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_111477"><br></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_109872" dir="ltr"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_111501">Jari may wish to clarify whether same goes with the IETF.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_113819"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_113820" dir="ltr">If the two answers are affirmative, then ICG's answer to the FQA on eveluation of performance should be clear enough to depict the <br></div></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_85611"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_88949">Like Joseph said, if we in the ICG are confused, the public and readers would be more confused if the answers are not clearly stated.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_95062"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_95288"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_89739"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_94529"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_88947"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_75364"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_75363"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_75362"><span></span></div> <br clear="none"><div class="yiv5258740038qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv5258740038yqt4521070737" id="yiv5258740038yqt43472"></div></div></div></div><div class=".yiv5258740038yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Friday, August 21, 2015 3:22 PM, Mary Uduma <mnuduma@yahoo.com> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv5258740038y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5258740038"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_25503">All,</div><div id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_25499"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_25500">I wish to support Alan's formulation with few addition to bring further clarity to the message ICG is trying to convey as show below in capital. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_29653"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_29655"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_25498">Q: How will performance be evaluated?<br class="yiv5258740038" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_29664" clear="none">
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A: IT IS EXPECTED THAT ICANN WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVALUATING PTI'S PERFORMANCE AS THE IFO FOR THE NAMING COMMUNITY (FUNCTION), THROUGH THE PROPOSED CSC, ETC. WHILE The OTHER TWO Operating Communities (OCs) WOULD BE
responsible for<br class="yiv5258740038" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_29666" clear="none">
evaluating the performance OF ICANN AS THEIR IFO FOR THEIR parts of
the IANA functions,<br class="yiv5258740038" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_29667" clear="none">
IT IS LEFT TO EACH OPERATING COMMUNITY TO MAKE whatever decisions are required
to ensure<br class="yiv5258740038" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_29668" clear="none">
their community's needs and expectations are
met, including<br class="yiv5258740038" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_29669" clear="none">
choosing/changing the IANA functions operator
for their part of<br class="yiv5258740038" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_29670" clear="none">
the IANA functions.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_53222"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_55491">Mary Uduma<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_51701"><br class="yiv5258740038" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_29671" clear="none">
</div> <br clear="none"><div class="yiv5258740038qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28392"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv5258740038yahoo_quoted" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28835" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28834" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28833" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv5258740038yqt9871993153" id="yiv5258740038yqt57448"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_29673"> <font id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_29672" face="Arial" size="2"> On Friday, August 21, 2015 12:48 PM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv5258740038y_msg_container" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28832"><div id="yiv5258740038"><div id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28831">
Kavouss:<br clear="none">
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No question on the need for accuracy, but I wanted to underline the
urgency of concluding this process in a timely manner during the
consultation period when it will be of great use.<br clear="none">
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Joe<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv5258740038yqt5459400418" id="yiv5258740038yqt23447"><div class="yiv5258740038moz-cite-prefix" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28830">On 8/21/2015 7:40 AM, Kavouss Arasteh
wrote:<br clear="none">
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</blockquote></div></div><div class="yiv5258740038yqt5459400418" id="yiv5258740038yqt77309"><div id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28837"><div>Dear Joe</div>
<div id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28836">Yes , but we shall avoid misleading the community by putting
Number and Protocol communities which nay or may not have
contract with PTI at the same level of CSC which usa. Integral
part of Name community in monitoring the performance of IFO</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Kavouss</div>
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On 21 Aug 2015, at 13:32, Joseph Alhadeff <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>>
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</div></blockquote></div><div id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28845"><div>Colleagues</div>
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<div>If we, who have been so involved in this process, are
having these definitional issues I can only presume the
potential difficulties for the non-initiate... Let us
resolve these issues as soon as possible as it seems the
FAQs may be very important to those reviewing the proposal.
In the interest of utility let us work to assure that the
perfect does not become the enemy of the good.</div>
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<div>Joe <br clear="none">
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Sent from my iPad</div>
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On Aug 21, 2015, at 4:45 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><font face="Calibri" color="#000000" size="3">Hi Lynn</font></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><font face="Calibri" color="#000000" size="3">Re Your Questions and
Comments </font></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><font face="Calibri" color="#000000" size="3">Here are my Reply<br clear="none">
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><font face="Calibri" color="#000000" size="3"> <em>I am not clear on
your objections, can you clarify
please? Is the objection over the roles of the
3 OCs (as described below)
with respect to the(ir) IFO or perhaps the IFO
and the PTI are conflated in the
text below.</em></font></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><font face="Calibri" color="#000000" size="3">Answer </font></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><font face="Calibri" color="#0000ff" size="3">My comments relate mostly
to the responsibilities of the
three OCs and to the smaller extent to the IFO and
PTI </font></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><font face="Calibri" color="#000000" size="3">For the first pls see my
comments earlier sent and I do not
want to repeat them. One should not put Numbers
and Protocols at the level of
responsibilities as those of NAMES DUE TO THE FACT
THAT THE FORMER MAY OR MAY
NOT HAVE CONTRACTs or SLAs WITH PTI THUS MAY ACT
WITHIN THEIR
CONTRACT through ICANN </font></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><font face="Calibri" color="#000000" size="3"> </font></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><font face="Calibri" color="#000000" size="3">Your explanation <br clear="none">
My ANSWER</font></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><font face="Calibri" color="#000000" size="3">I suggest the following
modifications </font></div>
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The 3 OCs l, Based On Their Mandate, ,areas of
Responsibilities their Roles and
their relation with PTI wil be responsible, for
evaluating the performance
of their respective IFO functions (through
various community managed monitoring
mechanisms). They will also be responsible for
ensuring that any
deficiencies are brought back through
appropriate mechanism for remedial actions,
as appropriate into line with expected service
levels. While today, the
IFO for all 3 OCs is in one organization
(department), the OCs have all made it
clear in their proposals that the responsibility
for who their IANA functions
operator will be in the future will reside with
the individual communities.<br clear="none">
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It can be hard to find words that capture the
appropriate intent of all 3
proposals, so perhaps ICG members from the 3
communities can also help
clarify/suggest text. In the interest of moving
this along, I suggested
some edits (in caps) that may help, but again
Kavouss, I am not sure I
understand your objections, so these may miss the
mark.<br clear="none">
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Current: "The three Operating Communities (OCs)
are responsible for
evaluating the performance of the IFO and for
making whatever decisions are
required to ensure their community\u2019s needs and
expectations are met, including
choosing/changing their IANA functions operator."<br clear="none">
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Proposed: "The three Operating Communities (OCs)
are responsible for
evaluating the performance of THEIR IFO and for
making whatever decisions are
required to ensure their community\u2019s needs and
expectations are met, including
choosing/changing the IANA functions operator FOR
THEIR SET OF IANA FUNCTIONS."</font></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><font face="Calibri" color="#000000" size="3">My suggestions for the
above is as proposed at the beginning
of the comment which I introduce it again</font></div>
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<div id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28840" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><font id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28839" face="Calibri" color="#000000" size="3"><font id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28838" color="#0000ff">\u201c
The 3 OCs l, Based On Their Mandate, ,areas of
Responsibilities their Roles and their relation
with PTI ( direct relation through separate
Contracts between Number and Parameter
communities or through ICANN) will be
responsible, for evaluating the performance of
their respective IFO functions
(through various community managed monitoring
mechanisms).
They will also be responsible for ensuring that
any deficiencies are brought
back through appropriate mechanism for remedial
actions, as appropriate into
line with expected service levels. While today,
the IFO for all 3 OCs is
in one organization (department), the OCs have
all made it clear in their
proposals that the responsibility for who their
IANA functions operator will be
in the future will reside with the individual
communities.\u201d</font><br clear="none">
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Kavouss </font></div>
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<div class="yiv5258740038gmail_quote" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28849">2015-08-21 9:31 GMT+02:00
Subrenat, Jean-Jacques <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jjs@dyalog.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:jjs@dyalog.net">jjs@dyalog.net</a>></span>:<br clear="none">
<blockquote class="yiv5258740038gmail_quote" id="yiv5258740038yui_3_16_0_1_1440164228133_28848" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;">Alan's
formulation, with more specific answers to more
limited questions, is a pretty good solution.<br clear="none">
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Jean-Jacques.<br clear="none">
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Envoy�: Jeudi 20 Ao�t 2015 16:53:13<br clear="none">
Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Questions from webinars<br clear="none">
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On Fri, 14 Aug 2015, Lynn St.Amour wrote:<br clear="none">
> Thank you to all those who have reviewed
these FAQs. In the<br clear="none">
> attached document, I accepted all those
changes, and believe<br clear="none">
> there is only one remaining area needing
review. The response<br clear="none">
> to the question: "How is PTI different
from the current IANA<br clear="none">
> department?" was very focused on the
naming functions while not<br clear="none">
> making that explicit. I added a few
lines to try and clarify<br clear="none">
> that (virtually all from the various
proposals) and to include<br clear="none">
> all the OC proposals.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> A quick review would be very helpful and
once we have agreement,<br clear="none">
> I will work with the secretariat to get
these posted. Hopefully<br clear="none">
> very soon, given the comment period is
well underway.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I think that Lynn's answer is accurate, but I
suggest splitting it into<br clear="none">
a few smaller questions/answer pairs, as
indicated below.<br clear="none">
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Lynn's question and answer:<br clear="none">
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> Q: How is PTI different from the current
IANA department?<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> A: In their proposal, the Names community
proposed to form a<br clear="none">
> new, separate legal entity (PTI) in the
form of a non-profit<br clear="none">
> corporation (i.e., a California public
benefit corporation).<br clear="none">
> They proposed that ICANN enter into a
contract with PTI to<br clear="none">
> serve as the IANA Functions Operator
(IFO) for the naming<br clear="none">
> functions. The entire IANA functions
department staff currently<br clear="none">
> housed in ICANN, and related resources,
processes, data, and<br clear="none">
> know-how will be legally transferred to
PTI. The PTI will be an<br clear="none">
> affiliate (subsidiary) of ICANN and ICANN
will be responsible<br clear="none">
> for its stewardship.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> The Number and Protocol Parameter
communities have proposed<br clear="none">
> that the current contractual
relationships with ICANN for the<br clear="none">
> IANA Functions Operator be maintained,
and if necessary ICANN<br clear="none">
> sub-contract the registry functions to
PTI.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> The three Operating Communities (OCs) are
responsible for<br clear="none">
> evaluating the performance of THEIR IFO
and for making whatever<br clear="none">
> decisions are required to ensure their
community=92s needs and<br clear="none">
> expectations are met, including
choosing/changing the IANA<br clear="none">
> functions operator FOR THEIR SET OF IANA
FUNCTIONS.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Alan Barrett's suggestion:<br clear="none">
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Q: What is the Post-Transition IANA (PTI)?<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
A: In their proposal, the Names community
proposed to form a<br clear="none">
new, separate legal entity (PTI) in the form
of a non-profit<br clear="none">
corporation (i.e., a California public benefit
corporation).<br clear="none">
They proposed that ICANN enter into a contract
with PTI to serve<br clear="none">
as the IANA Functions Operator (IFO) for the
naming functions.<br clear="none">
The entire IANA functions department staff
currently housed in<br clear="none">
ICANN, and related resources, processes, data,
and know-how will<br clear="none">
be legally transferred to PTI. The PTI will
be an affiliate<br clear="none">
(subsidiary) of ICANN and ICANN will be
responsible for its<br clear="none">
stewardship.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Q: What is the relationship between PTI and
the existing IANA<br clear="none">
department within ICANN?<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
A: PTI is expected to employ the same people
and perfom the same<br clear="none">
work using the same resources as the current
IANA department<br clear="none">
within ICANN. The difference is that PTI will
be a separate legal<br clear="none">
entity, while the current IANA department is
legally part of<br clear="none">
ICANN.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Q: How will the three Operating Communities
(OCs) interact with<br clear="none">
PTI?<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
A: The Names community has proposed that ICANN
(in its role as the<br clear="none">
policy coordinating body for the names
community) will contract<br clear="none">
with PTI for operation of the IANA naming
functions. The Number<br clear="none">
and Protocol Parameter communities have
proposed to contract with<br clear="none">
ICANN for the operatation of their IANA
functions, and to allow<br clear="none">
ICANN to sub-contract to PTI.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Q: How will performance be evaluated?<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
A: The three Operating Communities (OCs) are
responsible for<br clear="none">
evaluating the performance of their parts of
the IANA functions,<br clear="none">
and for making whatever decisions are required
to ensure<br clear="none">
their community's needs and expectations are
met, including<br clear="none">
choosing/changing the IANA functions operator
for their part of<br clear="none">
the IANA functions.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
--apb (Alan Barrett)<br clear="none">
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