<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Hi Mary,</div><div><br></div><div>Fair point. I was trying to be mindful of all of the information we have already received from the CWG. To me if we just forward the question and ask the CWG to respond, we are shifting the burden back to them to tell us to go read their charter again, go review the public comment analysis tool again, etc. I think we should at least acknowledge that we are aware of the charter text and so forth that speak to the issues raised by Richards comments. But its true that we could do that and still have our query to the CWG be generic.</div><div><br></div><div>Do others have strong feelings about this?</div><div><br></div><div>Alissa</div><div><br></div><div><div>On Jul 12, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_36284">All,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_31703" dir="ltr">I personally prefer the original formation of the questions from Patrik. If the ICG already has a position or answers to Richards claims or points as being expressed by Alissa, there is no need for the letter.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_31702" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_31701" dir="ltr">I would have preferred that ICG just raise these issues with CWG and allow the Chairs to provide responses as they deem appropriate, in line with the previous method the ICG handled the same Commenter's claim on the other two OCs' proposals.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_49475" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_50553" dir="ltr">Should the ICG be seen as proffering responses to its own questions to or clarifications from the OCs?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_64997" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_68776" dir="ltr">Just a personal view.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_68777" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_70667" dir="ltr">Mary Uduma<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_63109" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_55145" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_38178" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_55144" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436707649234_30629"><span></span></div><br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">On Sunday, July 12, 2015 1:31 PM, Manal Ismail <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>> wrote:<br></font></div><br><br><div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8838649093"><div><div class="yiv8838649093WordSection1"><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Fine with me too, including Joes suggestion ..</span></div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Just one remark, can we replace claim with some other word? Maybe point? </span></div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Kind Regards</span></div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">--Manal</span></div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv8838649093yqt3344113504" id="yiv8838649093yqt41103"><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Internal-cg [<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>joseph alhadeff<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, July 09, 2015 10:34 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Internal-cg] Assessment of input from Richard Hill</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> </div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt;">Perhaps on point one it might be useful to note that the process was open and with a number of public consultations, then go on to say that adding an additional consultation for the final document is a needless exercise for reasons stated?</div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">On 7/9/2015 2:30 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:</div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Draft letter text is below for your perusal.</div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"></div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Dear CWG,</div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">The ICG has received the following from Richard Hill: <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://mm.ianacg.org/pipermail/icg-forum_ianacg.org/2015-June/000001.html" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://mm.ianacg.org/pipermail/icg-forum_ianacg.org/2015-June/000001.html</a>>. We would welcome your comments on any of Richards claims, but we have a question about one specific claim below. We have included our views on his other claims for your information. </div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Regarding his claim about the final proposal not having gone out for public comment, in our view what he suggests could yield a process that never ends, given that further comments can always be provided whenever a document is put out for public comment. Thus requiring a final document to be put out for public comment is an unreasonable requirement for a process intended to terminate.</div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> </div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Regarding his claim about the global multistakeholder community, our understanding of the CWGs charter is that the group is open to any interested participant.</div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Regarding his claim about his specific comments on the proposal, we note that the CWG proposal states on p. 51 that "The final proposal has received the consensus support of the CWG-Stewardship with no objections or minority statements recorded for Chartering Organization consideration. We note that rationales were given and CWG consensus positions explained for each comment received during the public comment period that was not included in the proposal (including Richards). In light of both the statement of consensus in the proposal and the disposition of Richards comments in the public comment analysis tool, we are writing to see if you have any further comment on this claim. </div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">A response would be appreciated by <insert date here>.</div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Thanks,</div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;">Alissa Cooper on behalf of the ICG</div></div></div><div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> </div></div><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt;">_______________________________________________</pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt;">Internal-cg mailing list</pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Internal-cg@mm.ianacg.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Internal-cg@mm.ianacg.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Internal-cg@mm.ianacg.org</a></pre><pre style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://mm.ianacg.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg_ianacg.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://mm.ianacg.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg_ianacg.org</a></pre></blockquote><div class="yiv8838649093MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;"> </div></div></div><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv8838649093yqt3344113504" id="yiv8838649093yqt15408"><div style="text-align: justify; font-size: 8px;">NiRA Email Disclaimer<br clear="none">This e-mail, its attachments and any rights attaching hereto are, unless the content clearly indicates otherwise, the property of Nigeria Internet Registration Association (NiRA). 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