<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Alissa</div><div>Dear Patrik</div><div>Dear All Thank you very much to Alissa and Patrik for their clear position.</div><div>As for overlapping Vacation,we need to recognize that the entire community carefully watching our reaction .</div><div>We have an established time line which MUST BE MET.</div><div>Each of us SHALL contribute and make sacrifice. </div><div>Perhaps there would be no or very few days of Vacation </div><div>I am attending several calls per day for various CCWG Working Groups and sub working groups.</div><div>I have missed one or two but continue to actively attend.</div><div>We have an obligation to discharge as we have accepted to do so.</div><div>I sincerely encourage every body to adjust his or her personal program to Transition activities .</div><div>We are AN international custodian PUBLIC SEFRVANT</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-07-11 17:41 GMT+02:00 Patrik Fältström <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On 11 Jul 2015, at 17:33, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
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> 1,First To Patrik<br>
> You said in yr message<br>
> quote<br>
</span>> *"I am not a person that accept delays due to people being lazy."*<br>
<span>> Unquote<br>
> I do not know whom you are referring ?<br>
> However, whoever you had in in this kind of statement is INAPPROPRIATE<br>
<br>
</span>Dear Kavouss,<br>
<br>
No one has so far requested any change, the contrary, and I am proud being part of this work where people are working so hard and delivering.<br>
<br>
The discussion was about envisioned objections when we announce when we will have our public comment period, and I stated my view of reasoning for listening to those objections.<br>
<br>
I will absolutely, as I expect everyone of ICG do, listen to real issues that might have impact on our timeline. But I will not listen to, for example, people in Sweden that point out the 40 day period is overlapping with their vacation.<br>
<span><br>
> 2.To Alidssa<br>
> Pls kindly maintain exact 40 days as public comment and<br>
> Pls kindly do not cancel the f2f nor change it date as I have booked the flight ( to be cheap I book always very early) due to the fact that I have to pay penalty of 500 Swiss Francs from my personal pocket<br>
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</span>Kavouss, not only you would be in that situation... I would also be in a similar situation, and many with us.<br>
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The train has left the station. Our timeline is as it is, and once again, I am proud of being part of a crowd like ICG that is working so hard trying to meet all our goals -- without at the same time cutting any corners or ignoring comments. Even if timeline is important, high quality work is more important.<br>
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> 3. CCWG the activities of which might have impact on our works relating , in particular, the CWG will held its last f2f meeting before its second public comment soon. We need to carefully monitor that as I am doing carefully<br>
> Then DO NOT FIX ANY TIME TILL 21 July when that f2f meeting is over<br>
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</span>Noted. I will do the best I can to accommodate this.<br>
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Patrik<br>
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> Kavouss which<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2015-07-11 16:07 GMT+02:00 Patrik Fältström <<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se">paf@frobbit.se</a>>:<br>
><br>
>> Joe,<br>
>><br>
>> Well spoken, good advice!<br>
>><br>
>> Patrik<br>
>><br>
>> On 11 Jul 2015, at 14:42, Joseph Alhadeff wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Colleagues<br>
>>><br>
>>> I will be taking the sum total of one week off for the summer, so you<br>
>> need not impress on me the fact that people work and have<br>
>> responsibilities. I am highlighting what may well be part of the public<br>
>> reaction to the timeline. If we stick to this timeline, let us make a very<br>
>> broadly spread announcement about it early next week so no one can claim<br>
>> that they didn't know about the urgency of comments until after their<br>
>> summer vacation began. We should also underline the need to complete this<br>
>> work expeditiously and therefore these are not just arbitrary dates.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Joe<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my iPad<br>
>>><br>
>>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 1:51 AM, Patrik Fältström <<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se">paf@frobbit.se</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Milton, others,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thanks for the clarification. Let me strengthen the wording you use<br>
>> Alissa bit more.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Due to the timeline we have, the fact there is interest in completing<br>
>> this business in time, that so many individuals do work day, night,<br>
>> weekends and who knows how much time they spend, AND that the timeline is<br>
>> known long in advance and more importantly, the work is done in the open<br>
>> with ability to do preliminary assessments all along the way....<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --->>> I am not a person that accept delays due to people being lazy.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> A potential delay is something we ICG should introduce if we see<br>
>> unknowns appearing. New steps we have to take. New things we had not<br>
>> planned for that takes time. New things we must do to ensure we produce<br>
>> high quality result.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If people complain because they are on vacation, like maybe many people<br>
>> from Sweden will do, send them to me :-)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Patrik<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> P.S. Yes, I missed part of the call and discussions Wednesday this week<br>
>> due to travel and meetings in Paris...yes, I could have prioritized<br>
>> differently BUT, I would have missed a dinner with EARN people that I have<br>
>> not met for 10+ years etc etc. Conclusion: Each one of us do and have to<br>
>> prioritize OUR work, which I did, and I expect all of you to do, but as a<br>
>> result I did NOT ask ICG to slow down for a few days because of my<br>
>> [excellent] dinner in Paris. The contrary, I know I now have to work during<br>
>> the weekend to catch up!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> On 11 Jul 2015, at 4:24, Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Alissa,<br>
>>>>> Sorry my comment was not clear. I meant to agree with your proposal<br>
>> for a 40-day comment period.<br>
>>>>> I was responding to those who proposed 30 days, and agreeing with Joe<br>
>> that if the entire period was in August it would not be seen as credible. I<br>
>> don't however think we need another week in September as Joe suggested.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> --MM<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>>>> From: Alissa Cooper [mailto:<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">alissa@cooperw.in</a>]<br>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 6:17 PM<br>
>>>>>> To: Milton L Mueller<br>
>>>>>> Cc: Joseph Alhadeff; <a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a><br>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Public comment period<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> To be clear, my proposal is not to do something less than 40 days. It<br>
>> is to do<br>
>>>>>> 40 days exactly. E.g., July 31 to Sept 8.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> If we have to have two full weeks of public comment in September, we<br>
>>>>>> should probably cancel our F2F meeting. There is no point in us all<br>
>> traveling<br>
>>>>>> to meet in person when we won't have done hardly any analysis of the<br>
>>>>>> public comments received at the end of the public comment period.<br>
>> Also,<br>
>>>>>> what counts as a full week? Do these people whose vacations will be<br>
>> upset<br>
>>>>>> by a nearly 6-week public comment period count the first week of<br>
>> September<br>
>>>>>> as a "full week" even though it includes one day of August?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I will admit to being a bit frustrated with this line of argument.<br>
>> All of us and<br>
>>>>>> the people in the communities have been going to great lengths and<br>
>> making<br>
>>>>>> significant sacrifices to do the work that the transition requires,<br>
>> including<br>
>>>>>> joining phone conferences in the middle of the night and from remote<br>
>>>>>> locales, staying up all night working on parts of the proposals,<br>
>> flying around<br>
>>>>>> the world to have contentious meetings, and taking time away from our<br>
>>>>>> families and day jobs to volunteer our time for this. If commenters<br>
>> can't find<br>
>>>>>> a bit of time within a 40-day window that spans both August and<br>
>> September<br>
>>>>>> to gather their thoughts on the proposal, then perhaps we need not<br>
>> balance<br>
>>>>>> our needs against how little regard they will have given to the<br>
>> transition<br>
>>>>>> process. To put it another way, I don't think we should blow our<br>
>> timeline to<br>
>>>>>> accommodate people who don't care enough about the transition to<br>
>>>>>> comment on it given a nearly 6-week-long window in which to do so.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Alissa<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Agreed. We will get complaints from Europe and complaints from the DC<br>
>>>>>>> lawyers who were already complaining about CWG's less than 40-day<br>
>>>>>>> comment periods<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> A comment period that is mostly during august will not be seen as<br>
>>>>>> credible..<br>
>>>>>>>> we need at least 2 weeks in september..<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (<a href="http://www.nitrodesk.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.nitrodesk.com</a>)<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> From: Alissa Cooper [<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">alissa@cooperw.in</a>]<br>
>>>>>>>> Received: Thursday, 09 Jul 2015, 6:30PM<br>
>>>>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>]<br>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Internal-cg] Public comment period<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> We had a preliminary discussion in Buenos Aires about the length of<br>
>>>>>>>> our public comment period and I'd like to continue that here.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Our last call of this month is on July 29. If we agree on that call<br>
>>>>>>>> that we're ready to put the combined proposal to public comment,<br>
>> then<br>
>>>>>>>> we'll be looking at a launch around July 31 (giving a day or two to<br>
>>>>>>>> prep the web site and other materials after the call). A 40-day<br>
>>>>>>>> comment period would then end on September 8. That would provide 7<br>
>>>>>>>> working days between the end of the public comment period and our<br>
>> F2F<br>
>>>>>>>> meeting to analyze the public comments and coalesce them in some<br>
>> form<br>
>>>>>>>> for discussion at the F2F. This is very tight timing, but doable in<br>
>>>>>>>> my opinion. So I think we should make this the provisional plan, of<br>
>> course<br>
>>>>>> subject to change if we need to change it.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Alissa<br>
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