<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>We received no objections to this so the secretariat will be posting it to our site shortly.</div><div><br></div><div>Alissa</div><br><div><div>On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:36 AM, Alissa Cooper <<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">alissa@cooperw.in</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Thanks Joe.</div><div><br></div><div>Lets have the consensus call on this version then. If anyone objects to the publication of this document, please send email to the list by April 28 at 20:00 UTC.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Alissa</div><br><div><div>On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:02 PM, joseph alhadeff <<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Colleagues:<br>
<br>
I have posted a clean reformatted proposed solution for the
consensus building comments in drop box and attach it to this email
for your convenience.<br>
<br>
Best-<br>
<br>
Joe<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/18/2015 10:01 AM, Kavouss Arasteh
wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Joe,</div>
<div>I fully agree with your way forward.</div>
<div>May you kindly edit the former draft in re ordering the
text and deleting the element of giving option to OCs to elect
to reply or not and replace it by your text to which I fully
agree</div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-04-18 14:38 GMT+02:00 Manal Ismail
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>></span>:<br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Many
thanks Mr. Arasteh for your trust ..</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Unfortunately
Im traveling this coming week and have an intense
week of meetings ..</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I
wont be able to dedicate time for this issue, nor
will I be able to join the ICG upcoming call, as
indicated earlier ..</span></p><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Appreciate
being excused ..</span></p><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Kind
regards</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">--Manal
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Internal-cg [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 17, 2015 1:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alissa Cooper<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus
call: Community comments handling</div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Alissa</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the message</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Pls note that from the very
beginning some if us wanted to give the choice
ti OCs to reply or not</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Some others including me were
if the opinion that such choice should
exclusively be available to ICG to determine how
to react. i.e. Reply directly to the comments
received which usually would not be the case in
practical circumstances or ICG decides ti send
the comments to OC concerned and asks that
entity to reply and copy the reply to ICG</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">This is fundamental and
crucial as it is part or duty to oversight that
process as indicated in our charter.</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">We can not compromise on any
provisions of the charter.</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your kind
understanding and careful attention.</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I suggest Nanal who dealt
with this issue kindly continue to find a
solution.</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> Regards</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Ksvouss </p>
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On 16 Apr 2015, at 21:16, Alissa Cooper <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">If any of you who have
agreed on edits could edit the document
directly and post an update to the list and
dropbox, that would be great. Personally I
dont fully understand what changes you all
have agreed.</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 16, 2015, at
4:01 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Dear
Alissa,</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Pls
be reminded that in the Consensus
building document that we worked for
several months ago in which there
was no mention of so-called
ROUGHT CONSENSUS which is
practiced in your own community and
not in ICG .That rough or soft
consensus was strongly rejected.
Please carefully read that consensus
building document .It is not
appropriate that such document which
established the basis of our works
and completed after more than 300
e-email message be ignored
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">We
need to be consistent and respect
our earlier decision and agreement.</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">My
suggestions for a simple rewording
has been supported and you need to
take that into account</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">I
do not agree with your position as
it is not consistent with what we
have decided before . You can not
ignor all those agreement and just
refer to ROUGH CONSENSUS which was
totally disagreed from the very
beginning
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">We
need to be practical and comply with
our charter.</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Comments
received should first be considered
by ICG, if it requires reply, the
reply should be give. If it needs to
be sent to OCs ofor further analysis
and reply ,once so decided by ICG
that action should be done.</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">The
decision making ENITY is ICG and not
the OCs .</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Comments
received should not left as an
optional process by OCs they must be
treated properly.</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Many
evidence were witnessed that some OC
do not wish to answer the questions</span></p>
</div><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Then
what is the role of the ICG?</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Community
expects a proper action from ICG,</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">The
issue is not so difficult</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Pls
do not make a mass of that.</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Joseph
has made some edits, Milton implicitly
agreed with my edits</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Pls
keep calm and allow us to work. Make
your efforts to converge and not to
diverge</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">This
is an important matter left from
Singapore</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Regards</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Kavouss
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">2015-04-16 11:56
GMT+02:00 Joseph Alhadeff <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>>:</p><p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss:<br>
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We are in agreement except for one
nuance. When it comes to ICG I agree
our actions are in our discretion and
answers must come to us.<br>
<br>
As you know, I have been an advocate of
consultation and transparency; if a
person sends us a question related to an
OC propsal which we believe has been
answered in the OC propsals or which we
do not see as worthy of follow up-
excluding the spam Patrik noted- we
should still forward that question on an
OC propsal to the OC in question so they
can decide if they need to answer or
explain their actions further to
optimize community consensus. We need
maximum transparency and consensus
across all of our efforts...<br>
<br>
I hope this helps clarify the thinking
related to the need to forward questions
that should have better been addressed
to the OC...<br>
<br>
Joe<br>
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From: Kavouss Arasteh [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Received: Thursday, 16 Apr 2015, 4:41AM<br>
To: Joseph Alhadeff [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>]<br>
CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a> [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a>];
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re:
[Internal-cg] Consensus call:
Community comments handling<br>
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Dear Joseph<br>
Exactly . It is only and only ICG
who decides to whether or not a
comment received needs to be replied
and not all comments.<br>
Once again the choice us within ICG
and nit OCs<br>
Regards<br>
Kavouss<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
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> On 16 Apr 2015, at 09:57,
Joseph Alhadeff <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> As to a it is our option not
obligation to every comment.<br>
><br>
> Sent from my Android phone
using TouchDown (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.nitrodesk.com/" target="_blank">www.nitrodesk.com</a>)<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
><br>
> From: Patrik Fltstrm [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a>]<br>
> Received: Thursday, 16 Apr
2015, 2:16AM<br>
> To: joseph alhadeff [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>]<br>
> CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>]<br>
> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg]
Consensus call: Community comments
handling<br>
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><br>
>> On 16 apr 2015, at 00:09,
joseph alhadeff <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Choices:<br>
>><br>
>> a. We decide that the
comment we received is worthy of our
own follow up and it inspires us to
ask the same or related question(s)
to the proposal drafters. This we
have the ability to do at all times.<br>
>> b. As the comment goes to
a proposal as opposed to our process
or the joint proposal, we are not in
a position to properly answer the
question. As such we could forward
the question to the correct
community, on the chance that the
asker of the question may not have
also addressed the community.<br>
>> c. Since we are working
transparently, I assume all of the
questions we receive will be
available online. If a community
commits to keeping watch for
relevant comments then we don't have
to worry about forwarding comments.<br>
>><br>
>> Options b and c in no way
limit our rights and abilities under
a. b and c are merely concepts that
assure the greatest transparency and
assurance that comments are routed
to those groups best able to address
them. It takes a no wrong door
approach to comments and helps
assure that those not familiar with
the consultation process are also
able to get their questions heard.<br>
><br>
><br>
> We also have d. various trolls
and denial of service attacks that
we can at point of inspection "just
ignore". Specifically because of b.
and c. And b. issues might be picked
up by the OC themselves. Either
because it was adressed to them as
well as ICG, or because they saw it
(according to c.).<br>
><br>
> I.e. we are inspired by
whatever comments come in, and might
ask/forward questions to the OC's.
OC's can also watch the list and act
themselves on whatever is sent in.<br>
><br>
> But I do not see us or OC be
required to act on _every_ comment
coming in. Specifically not having
ICG send _every_ comment to the OC's
for action.<br>
><br>
> Patrik<br>
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