<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Joe,</div><div>I fully agree with your way forward.</div><div>May you kindly edit the former draft in re ordering the text and deleting the element of giving option to OCs to elect to reply or not and replace it by your text to which I fully agree</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-04-18 14:38 GMT+02:00 Manal Ismail <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Unfortunately I\u2019m traveling this coming week and have an intense week of meetings ..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I won\u2019t be able to dedicate time for this issue, nor will I be able to join the ICG upcoming call, as indicated earlier ..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Appreciate being excused ..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Kind regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 17, 2015 1:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alissa Cooper<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus call: Community comments handling<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the message<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pls note that from the very beginning some if us wanted to give the choice ti OCs to reply or not<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some others including me were if the opinion that such choice should exclusively be available to ICG to determine how to react. i.e. Reply directly to the comments received which usually would not be the case in practical circumstances
or ICG decides ti send the comments to OC concerned and asks that entity to reply and copy the reply to ICG<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is fundamental and crucial as it is part or duty to oversight that process as indicated in our charter.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We can not compromise on any provisions of the charter.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your kind understanding and careful attention.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suggest Nanal who dealt with this issue kindly continue to find a solution.<u></u><u></u></p>
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On 16 Apr 2015, at 21:16, Alissa Cooper <<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 16, 2015, at 4:01 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Pls be reminded that in the Consensus building document that we worked for several �months� ago in which there was
no �mention �of so-called \u201cROUGHT CONSENSUS \u201cwhich is practiced in your own community and not in ICG .That rough or soft consensus was strongly rejected. Please carefully read that consensus building document .It is not appropriate that such document which
established the basis of our works and completed after more than 300 e-email message be ignored
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">We need to be consistent and respect our earlier decision and agreement.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">I do not agree with your position as it is not consistent with what we have decided before . You can not ignor all
those agreement and just refer to \u201cROUGH CONSENSUS \u201cwhich was totally disagreed from the very beginning
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">We need to be practical and comply with our charter.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Comments received should first be considered by ICG, if it requires reply, the reply should be give. If it needs
to be sent to OCs ofor further analysis and reply ,once so decided by ICG that action should be done.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Comments received should not left as an optional process by OCs they must be treated properly.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Many evidence were witnessed that some OC do not wish to answer the questions</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Then what is the role of the ICG?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Community expects a proper action from ICG,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">The issue is not so difficult</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Pls do not make a mass of that.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Joseph has made some edits, Milton implicitly agreed with my edits</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Pls keep calm and allow us to work. Make your efforts to converge and not to diverge</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">This is an important matter left from Singapore</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Regards</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2015-04-16 11:56 GMT+02:00 Joseph Alhadeff <<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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We are in agreement except for one nuance.� When it comes to ICG I agree our actions are in our discretion and answers must come to us.<br>
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�As you know, I have been an advocate of consultation and transparency; if a person sends us a question related to an OC propsal which we believe has been answered in the OC propsals or which we do not see as worthy of follow up- excluding the spam Patrik noted-
we should still forward that question on an OC propsal to the OC in question so they can decide if they need to answer or explain their� actions further to optimize community consensus.� We need maximum transparency and consensus across all of our efforts...<br>
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I hope this helps clarify the thinking related to the need to forward questions that should have better been addressed to the OC...<br>
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From: Kavouss Arasteh [<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Received: Thursday, 16 Apr 2015, 4:41AM<br>
To: Joseph Alhadeff [<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>]<br>
CC: <a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a> [<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a>];
<a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>]<u></u><u></u></p>
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Dear Joseph<br>
Exactly . It is only and only ICG who decides to whether or not a comment received needs to be replied and not all comments.<br>
Once again the choice us within ICG and nit OCs<br>
Regards<br>
Kavouss<br>
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> On 16 Apr 2015, at 09:57, Joseph Alhadeff <<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> As to a it is our option not obligation to every comment.<br>
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> Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (<a href="http://www.nitrodesk.com/" target="_blank">www.nitrodesk.com</a>)<br>
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> From: Patrik F�ltstr�m [<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a>]<br>
> Received: Thursday, 16 Apr 2015, 2:16AM<br>
> To: joseph alhadeff [<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>]<br>
> CC: <a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>]<br>
> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus call: Community comments handling<br>
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>> On 16 apr 2015, at 00:09, joseph alhadeff <<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> a.� We decide that the comment we received is worthy of our own follow up and it inspires us to ask the same or related question(s) to the proposal drafters. This we have the ability to do at all times.<br>
>> b.� As the comment goes to a proposal as opposed to our process or the joint proposal, we are not in a position to properly answer the question.� As such we could forward the question to the correct community, on the chance that the asker of the question
may not have also addressed the community.<br>
>> c.� Since we are working transparently, I assume all of the questions we receive will be available online.� If a community commits to keeping watch for relevant comments then we don't have to worry about forwarding comments.<br>
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>> Options b and c in no way limit our rights and abilities under a.� b and c are merely concepts that assure the greatest transparency and assurance that comments are routed to those groups best able to address them.� It takes a no wrong door approach to comments
and helps assure that those not familiar with the consultation process are also able to get their questions heard.<br>
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> We also have d. various trolls and denial of service attacks that we can at point of inspection "just ignore". Specifically because of b. and c. And b. issues might be picked up by the OC themselves. Either because it was adressed to them as well as ICG,
or because they saw it (according to c.).<br>
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> I.e. we are inspired by whatever comments come in, and might ask/forward questions to the OC's. OC's can also watch the list and act themselves on whatever is sent in.<br>
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> But I do not see us or OC be required to act on _every_ comment coming in. Specifically not having ICG send _every_ comment to the OC's for action.<br>
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>� �Patrik<br>
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