<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Daniel,</div><div>Thank you very much for the reply,</div><div>I have just asked that the accountability before and after transition be uin a clear manner be contained i/ presented in a tabular form.</div><div>I do not believe that there is a need to present or express opposition strong or soft rather to help to understand</div><div>Position of some colleaguzes and their hurry up attitude are known and no need to resubmit that again</div><div>Instead of strong opposition we need to provide information I hope soem distiguished people take a more friendly and more flexibble approach.</div><div>We are a team and should work as a team and should understand each others' problem and views</div><div>We should have valid reasons for strong objections</div><div>Can som,ebody tell me who from those various emnities mentioned in reply from protocol and parametr community are dealing with accountability in a hierarchical approach</div><div>Let us work together </div><div>Regards</div><div>Have nice end of Sunday</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-03-08 17:58 GMT+01:00 Daniel Karrenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net" target="_blank">daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Colleagues,<br>
<span><br>
Both responses we have in hand sufficiently address the accountability<br>
</span>chain of the IANA functions operator both present and proposed. Unless<br>
<span>we ask specific questions we will get the same answers that are already<br>
contained in the responses and other relevant normative documents.<br>
Therefore I strongly oppose to ICG asking further general questions<br>
about accountability.<br>
<br>
If members of the ICG have concrete questions about accountability,<br>
please raise them here. In a first step we can see if the answers are<br>
contained in the documents we already have or if other ICG members can<br>
answer the questions sufficiently. Only if and when we have consensus<br>
that additional clarification is needed beyond this should we formally<br>
ask questions to the communities.<br>
<br>
This is our agreed procedure and I fully support the chair's treatment<br>
of Mr. Arasteh's message.<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
</span><span>On 8.03.15 9:47 , Patrik Fältström wrote:<br>
> All,<br>
><br>
> This I treat as a request from an ICG member for further explanation by<br>
> other ICG members.<br>
><br>
> Patrik<br>
><br>
> Begin forwarded message:<br>
><br>
</span><span>>> *From:* Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>> *Date:* 8 mars 2015 08:30:25 CET<br>
</span>>> *To:* Patrik Fältström <<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se">paf@frobbit.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se">paf@frobbit.se</a>>>,<br>
>> Mohamed El Bashir <<a href="mailto:mbashir@mbash.net">mbashir@mbash.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mbashir@mbash.net">mbashir@mbash.net</a>>>,<br>
>> Alissa Cooper <<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">alissa@cooperw.in</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">alissa@cooperw.in</a>>><br>
<span class="im HOEnZb">>> *Subject:* *Information requested*<br>
>><br>
>> À *Patrik*, *Mohamed*, Alissa, WUKnoben, ICG<br>
>><br>
</span><span class="im HOEnZb">>> Step 2 ,ICG Assessement of Cummunity proposals<br>
>> Dear Vice chair,<br>
>> May you please ask Jari and Alan Barret or Paul Wilson to provide the<br>
>> foloowings;<br>
>> A COMPARATIVE Table indicating the prcess of accountability currently<br>
>> in force and implemented and those which will be required after<br>
>> Transitiion.<br>
>> It would be useful to have that comparative Table enabling ICG Members<br>
>> to better undersatnd how the accountability of Protocol Parameter and<br>
>> Numbers are affected by Transition.<br>
>> The reports of these two communities are difficult to make such a<br>
>> comparision.<br>
>> Without that I will have serious difficulties to comment on the<br>
>> exacteness and appropriateness of the content of these two comminities<br>
>> on accountability before and after transition.<br>
>> By the way, Jari promised to provide a graphic Diagram regarding<br>
>> internal accountability being carried out by IETF<br>
>> mOREOVER, aLAN bARRET / Paul Wilson ,are respectfully requested to<br>
>> provide similar graphic Diagram about the accountability currently in<br>
>> force in RIRs ,in particular that RIRs have a more decentralized<br>
>> process of five regional communities and the overall accountabilities<br>
>> of the entire Rir s are not clear<br>
>> Rergards<br>
><br>
><br>
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